They've told you what the consequences are: the inability to allow people to pay with Visa cards (which would be a really big deal). It's just that, again, you don't believe them.Originally Posted by fireknight
Edit: For anyone who thinks it's not possible, try to find an American porn site you can join with an American Express card.
Last edited by aristotlealexander; 05-26-2012 at 06:05 AM.
Yes, there are those in society who would like to ban pornography, and you're here admitting that companies like Brazzers are letting them do it.
It's very ironic that you talk about all this freedom that porn now has that it didn't have years ago, and how it's now as "dirty and nasty as it's ever been," while at the same time acknowledging that Brazzers doesn't even have the freedom to release scenes with alcohol or foced roleplay because they might get into trouble for it. It certainly doesn't sound like porn has much freedom at all. If anything, porn now has much more restrictions than freedoms.
This whole thread is about Brazzers having to remove numerous (not just 1, 2, or 3, but so many that we lose count) scenes, not because they've broken some legal statute, but simply because some compliance board arbitrarily tells them that they have to. Do you still think porn has more freedom than it did years ago?
It's not because I think they're lying, but because the whole reason is just so outlandish. It would be like Hollywood coming out and announcing that it was now being forbidden from showing nudity or violence in R-rated films, or the music industry coming out and saying that it can no longer use expletives in rap lyrics. Yes, Hollywood and the music industry might be telling the honest truth in the highly unlikely case that this would ever happen. But that wouldn't make the story any less bizarre. I'm also positive that neither Hollywood, nor the music industry, would just go along with such guidelines without rigorously opposing them, which is something that we never see porn do on any issue anymore.
For example, I've been reading a little on the whole condom in porn law fiasco that's going on in Los Angeles. From what I've been reading about it, very few directors, talent, agents, studio owners, etc., even bother to show up for public meetings on the issue. The impression is that even though most of the industry is opposed to the measure, they just don't care to actually put up a fight against it, and are just willing to roll over and go along with it. Thus, whether it's a local government trying to kill porn by making everyone wear condoms, or credit card companies trying to kill porn by giving porn companies unreasonable ultimatums to censor their content, it just doesn't look like anyone within the industry is willing to put up a fight on anything anymore. As long as everyone still gets to make a little bit of money, then no one cares if their (and our) rights are being violated.
There are a large number of merchants, both on-line and off-line, who do not accept American Express. But this is due to the choice of the merchant to not accept that card, not because American Express refuses to accept charges. Many merchants do not accept American Express because it has higher processing fees than other cards. I've been into many stores that don't accept American Express or Discover, and will only accept VISA or MasterCard. If a merchant chooses to accept the card, American Express would not decline them. That's completely different from the credit card company saying that it won't accept your charges simply because it doesn't like your product, which screams of illegal and unethical practices on the part of the credit card company.Edit: For anyone who thinks it's not possible, try to find an American porn site you can join with an American Express card.
Last edited by fireknight; 05-26-2012 at 02:45 PM.
I'm 38 years old and I have been watching porn since I was a teenager. I loved most of what has happening in the late 1990s'/early 2000s. Slap Happy was one of my favorite series. But from what I can tell, most of those sites or series don't exist anymore because the people behind them chose not to do it anymore. I'm sure there other factors well. They probably have to do more with the economic side of the equation.
There is also such a thing as trends coming and going. What used to be the be thing, is no longer interesting to most people. There is a fetish fad so to speak.
I also think we have a differing opinion on what we consider "watered down" or "sanitized". This just maybe a case of different strokes for different folks. I mean we are talking about an industry where at this very moment there is a girl taking multiple cum shots to the face. Its not like Brazzers is showing movies that appear on Cinemax after midnight.
From what I have read about the condom law in Los Angeles is that none of the studios follow it and most of them just pay the fine if they get busted by the Health Department. I have also heard that if the law would start to be enforced, most studios would move to another state like Arizona or Florida. California's economy would take a huge hit if that happened.
A credit card company saying they won't accept your charges doesn't like your product is not illegal or unethical. If it was, they would have been taken to court a long time ago. As a privately owned company, they have a say in how they want to conduct their business. For example, if Paypal suspects that the transaction is for lets say an erotic service, they will decline it.
Last edited by macdaddy74; 05-26-2012 at 05:33 PM.
Let me say firstly this is a great thread and a lot of you guys are bang on with a lot of the points. But I liken it to a risk/reward scenario how far you want to push your luck when there is a controlling interest above you.
Whats happening here is not that outlandish when you think about it. There are parallels to music , movies ,video game and all forms of popular entertainment really. I could make a movie, or video game anyway I want. It can be extremely violent , racist or vulgar and legally no one can really stop me. But countries can ban the game from being played, major music providers and mainstream tv wouldn't carry or play it as it would tarnish their image etc etc In the end the smart move is to make movies and games from a business perspective that is capable of being shown to the most amount of markets and people. Its basically like any law, at the end of the day we can all do whatever we want, but whether its worth the risk and the consequences is what you have to ask yourself. It's not a new phenomena ,governments and bodies all over are cracking down. Australia habitually bans violent video games (to their critiria), Germany does not allow any Tube sites in their search engine results and movies that are too controversial or religiously charged often are often banned from countries too. The fact that Acta and Sopa were even being considered shows the trend of where things are going and its a pretty scary direction.
And your also right, its definitely not based on what the public wants either. As stated by some of you guys, a lot of those sites were wildly popular when they were around and probably would still be today, but good luck finding anything now with sleep,rape, piss or drinking as central site concepts.
Admittedly its an unsavory choice but an easy one when you weight your options. No one likes big brother looking over their shoulder, but you have to pick your battles too.
Last edited by khrispy; 05-31-2012 at 01:44 AM.
That's only until some outside government or financial agency comes in and says that porn can't show that anymore either. If they're already prohibiting everything else, then why not that? Where does it end?
History has repeatedly proven that the more people try to ban something, the more popular it becomes. People don't like being told what they can and cannot read, watch, listen to, or say. It's really telling how the more controversial something is, the more successful it becomes. For example, book burnings never did achieve the desired result of keeping those books away from kids. To the contrary, it only made kids want to read them even more.
Those are called G-rated. That's fine for children's cartoons and primetime TV sitcoms. But this is porn, and we're all adults. It makes no sense that I can't see a porn scene that has domination or alcohol in it because some douchebag somewhere else might get offended and complain. Nobody wants G-rated porn, which is exactly what we're getting these days.In the end the smart move is to make movies and games from a business perspective that is capable of being shown to the most amount of markets and people.
Different countries do a lot of things. Believe it or not, there's also an Australian law that prohibits porn from showing women with small breasts. The rationale is that small breasts = childlike, and therefore pedophilia. Many other countries in Asia and the Middle East don't allow access to Internet porn at all. But I thought I lived in the United States of America, which I was always told is the freest nation on Earth. I thought everyone here was supposed to be free to do and watch whatever he chooses in the privacy of his own home. It looks like I was wrong. Perhaps we're not so much different from those other places after all.Its basically like any law, at the end of the day we can all do whatever we want, but whether its worth the risk and the consequences is what you have to ask yourself. It's not a new phenomena ,governments and bodies all over are cracking down. Australia habitually violent video game (to their critiria), Germany does not allow any Tube sites in their search engine results and movies that are too controversial or religiously charged often are often banned from countries too.
I agree that it's wise to pick your battles. The problem is when you decide to fight no battles at all, and just surrender at every turn. Anytime countless scenes are being pulled/banned/censored left and right for no apparent reason other than they don't "comply" some arbitrary list of regulations that prohibits everything from drinking to sneezing, then that seems like an important battle that needs to be fought. Before you know it, you won't be able to say "Boo" in a porn scene without it being "out of compliance." Or maybe that's already the case.No one likes big brother looking over their shoulder, but you have to pick your battles too.
He is right there. We get games that are MA and that's it. Anything considered too violent, we dont get or get cut right out of the game
C'mon - use some of these scene ideas!
DA: The Eccentric Doctor, DA: Patent Triple X, BTAW: The Call Girl, BTAS: Theoretical Fucking,
PLIB: ZZ Aftersave
I mean no disrespect about what you've said Fireknight but please tell me your not that naive.
C'mon - use some of these scene ideas!
DA: The Eccentric Doctor, DA: Patent Triple X, BTAW: The Call Girl, BTAS: Theoretical Fucking,
PLIB: ZZ Aftersave
monique alexander - a passionate fuck affair is missing
Girls ZZ need to book (for B/G)
Michelle Lay, Kiara Diane, India Summer, Monique Alexander, Gia Dimarco
any news about the re-edit operation ?
What happened to the new Lilith Lavey scene? It's one day old and gone already!
Lylith lavey was taken down because of errors in the video, it wasn't pulled for re-editing, will be up shortly.
This is an awesome thread. lmao.
honestly i dont read it anymore.
I don't understand you man!
Brazzers is fucking your money and you are so ironic with my post!
However, even if Song does not read, I am continuing to update the list of missing scenes
man u and all these other ppl that still talking about it are retarded. they told u reason why they had to do this but u still talking about it and dont believe them. i know for all these years i complain a lot too but when they are solid and answering our questions i have no reason to complain anymore. at last not about this subject
for now more imporant things for me are:
- picsets, still didnt fix
- canning scenes for months when other companies not doing it. why ZZ must be always on their own?
- new scene with Shyla. i see Yancee and Khrispy want to kill me or idn maybe they detoxing me lol
- some scenes with Gia DiMarco. KL already working on it.
Last edited by Song; 05-31-2012 at 01:26 PM.
Hey Song - I've noticed that big photosets are back!
not everywhere yet. just in few scenes but as i said in other thread looks like it need more time
I have been away for six months and just noticed why are 3 out of 4 Say Hi To Your Husband RWS starring Asa and Keiran not available anymore
Dude, I know what I'm about to say is gonna suck, but. ZZ Put out a DVD with all 4 Scenes (Vag, Anal, DP, Gangbang) awhile ago. Sorry, That's the best you can expect now.
Unless you find them online. Now I'm not telling you to google those scenes but if you do, I had not control over it.
My ZZ Dream Site "Nasty Talkers", Watch It! http://www.brazzersforum.com/showthr...-Nasty-Talkers UPDATED (ALMOST) EVERY MONDAY!!!
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