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CptSpaulding
05-21-11, 05:29 AM
But i dont get what has happened for these changes to occur??? Why have some scenes been removed/suspended???

Too realistic i.e. some idiots felt it was too close to "rape" even though we all know its just an act.

fireknight
05-21-11, 09:44 AM
Too realistic i.e. some idiots felt it was too close to "rape" even though we all know its just an act.
Although these people are much fewer in number, they are much louder in voicing their negative opinions. As with anything, the squeaky wheel gets the oil. This is exactly why whenever Brazzers does produce or release a good PSP scene, the fans need to rate it highly, leave positive comments, and actually make an effort to let Brazzers know that we like those types of scenes, and that Brazzers should continue to produce them. If the PSP haters are the only ones that Brazzers ever hears from, then of course they're going to start thinking that those people speak for the majority. That's why we need to be just as outspoken as they are, and follow the same tactics they they use in getting our opinions across to Brazzers.

Yes, I know we have more important shit to do with our lives, and Brazzers should already know all this just by judging the previous success of the site. But apparently, the small number of haters are intent to ruin it for the rest of us. And from the looks of it, they're being successful at doing so. If the fans stay quiet while the small number of hating idiots are making all the noise, then it's no wonder why the best site on Brazzers has to go through these stupid types of issues.

Having said that, I'm still hoping to see the suspended Bridgette B. scene next week.

snoopyliver
05-21-11, 11:21 AM
Too realistic i.e. some idiots felt it was too close to "rape" even though we all know its just an act.

so what has changed now for it to return??? Who are the idiots??

Song
05-21-11, 11:37 AM
so what has changed now for it to return??? Who are the idiots??

for now looks like we are the idiots and they are the winners.

downtowndj1
05-23-11, 01:15 AM
Six scenes were removed from the site, and several scenes which were scheduled for release have been suspended.

What scenes were removed? A quick search of this thread showed me Dylan Ryder, Alanah Rae, Nikki Hunter and Chanel Preston. What were the other two? If any of the ones I listed aren't correct out of the 6, what were all the scenes?

Thanks.

fireknight
05-23-11, 03:43 AM
What scenes were removed? A quick search of this thread showed me Dylan Ryder, Alanah Rae, Nikki Hunter and Chanel Preston. What were the other two?
The other two scenes that were removed are the scenes starring Sadie Swede and Mahina Zaltana.

DontLaugh
05-23-11, 10:38 PM
I don't understand editing a scene that's got a disclaimer AND an interview... and I don't understand why HAM isn't suffering the same fate here if they're trying to sell us on this being necessary. I don't mind the disclaimer and/or the interview, it's actually a bit of a turnon seeing a bitch covered in spunk and beat up smiling and admitting the loved the shoot... but don't water down the scenes, and especially don't edit them if you've got the disclaimer!

Here's hoping they're just smiling now and getting serious later... glad to have the site back and actually have some shit that actually looks rough on Brazzers.

fireknight
05-24-11, 01:52 PM
I don't understand why HAM isn't suffering the same fate here if they're trying to sell us on this being necessary.
I've been wondering the exact same thing, and asking the same question. PSP and HAM have the exact same set-up. But apparently, HAM is more "acceptable" because it's just girls, if that makes any sense to anyone (it doesn't to me). It's another one of those senseless double standards that exist in porn. Apparently, it's OK for women to use sex as "punishment" in porn, but not OK for men to do it without people losing their minds over it. Go figure.

I don't mind the disclaimer and/or the interview, it's actually a bit of a turnon seeing a bitch covered in spunk and beat up smiling and admitting the loved the shoot... but don't water down the scenes, and especially don't edit them if you've got the disclaimer!
People have said they don't mind the interviews as long as PSP can continue being hardcore. I take this mean that most people would probably prefer PSP without the interviews, but will tolerate them if it means putting the dark edge and roughness back into PSP. I know I prefer the scenes without interviews. I'm just not getting why Brazzers would feel the need to have them. PSP has been doing just fine all this time without interviews. Why the sudden need to add them now? What has changed from before and now that would require the use of interviews?

Also, what is the point of post-interviews anyway? I mean, what do people really expect the performers to say? If there's a case where the performer really did hate doing the scene, do you really expect her to say that on camera? Of course, she's going to always say that she loved shooting the scene, whether she really did or not. This is the reason that these interviews are so pointless. Even if the girl didn't like it, she's never going to admit it. So what's the point?

It's like your boss calling you into his office to ask you if you like your job. Even if you really hate your job, you'd never tell him that because you know you'd be out of work. So you tell him what he wants to hear. Really, how does having post-interviews make any improvement whatsoever? It's just silly and unnecessary.

TheLecher
05-24-11, 10:19 PM
I don't understand why HAM isn't suffering the same fate here if they're trying to sell us on this being necessary.


Am I the only one who's noticed that the HAM updates have been pretty mild for the past six weeks? Now, as I've always said, I'm in favor of them including some seduction and spontaneous sex scenes on HAM, I don't feel that all of the scenes need a domination theme, but I do prefer that the majority have a domination theme and that the other types of G/G scenes be used as an occasional change of pace. Today's HAM update, for example, is a perfect example of how a less aggressive scene can still be terrific. But the preceding five scenes were just okay, in my opinion. The last really good domination style HAM scene was the Candy Manson/Dani Jensen scene.

I just hope that this is just an error of judgement on Brazzers part, to put so many mild HAM updates back to back, and not a new direction for the site.



PSP and HAM have the exact same set-up. But apparently, HAM is more "acceptable" because it's just girls, if that makes any sense to anyone (it doesn't to me). It's another one of those senseless double standards that exist in porn. Apparently, it's OK for women to use sex as "punishment" in porn, but not OK for men to do it without people losing their minds over it. Go figure.


Yes, it's a double standard, and therefore crap, but it's been that way for a very long time. It's much more acceptable to censors for women to be rough with and "punish" other women, or for women to do it to men, than for men to do it women. If you took the hardest, edgiest PSP scene, and reversed the male and female roles, that would be no problem. It's only when men are dominating/punishing/roughing up women that the censors go on the war path. (Well, I suppose that some of the most extreme G/G stuff may come under fire, but not to anywhere near the extent that B/G stuff does.)

fireknight
05-24-11, 11:01 PM
It's much more acceptable to censors for women to be rough with and "punish" other women, or for women to do it to men, than for men to do it women. If you took the hardest, edgiest PSP scene, and reversed the male and female roles, that would be no problem. It's only when men are dominating/punishing/roughing up women that the censors go on the war path.
In this case, we can't blame it on censors. There are no censors in porn. It's not like porn is subject to the rules of the MPAA or the FCC. When porn gets censored, it's because the same people who make it are also censoring it. There is no regulatory agency that comes onto PSP to cut scenes. Brazzers decides to do that on its own.

tgghpg1
05-25-11, 06:07 AM
Am I the only one who's noticed that the HAM updates have been pretty mild for the past six weeks? Now, as I've always said, I'm in favor of them including some seduction and spontaneous sex scenes on HAM, I don't feel that all of the scenes need a domination theme, but I do prefer that the majority have a domination theme and that the other types of G/G scenes be used as an occasional change of pace. Today's HAM update, for example, is a perfect example of how a less aggressive scene can still be terrific. But the preceding five scenes were just okay, in my opinion. The last really good domination style HAM scene was the Candy Manson/Dani Jensen scene.

I just hope that this is just an error of judgement on Brazzers part, to put so many mild HAM updates back to back, and not a new direction for the site.

Yeh this is starting to concern me too. HAM had become one of my fave sites because it was pasically PSP with 2 girls, and they were using interesting scene concepts. But the last clutch of scenes have been weak and boring, albeit Ariella's one was hot to watch as she does G/G very well. But with the next HAM update looking very weak as well, i am concerned that the edgier storylines we had been seeing from HAM have been replaced with this weak seduction storyline on far too regular a basis.

TheBobster
05-25-11, 04:31 PM
You could probably argue that all the site scenes have been tamned down somewhat. Maybe its just so they can get the CC's to calm down and look the other way after a while

fireknight
05-25-11, 08:06 PM
It's good that Brazzers is giving us two PSP scenes for the second week in a row. Hopefully, this will be a regular occurrence for the next few weeks to make up the lapse in updates. I'm glad that Brazzers is doing this. I don't say this often, but Thanks Brazzers!

RedDevils87
05-25-11, 08:28 PM
To be honest I think the Bridgette one is the only one that was pulled/suspended that I really care about. If that's one of the only ones we don't get I'm gonna be pissed off!

fireknight
05-25-11, 09:16 PM
To be honest I think the Bridgette one is the only one that was pulled/suspended that I really care about. If that's one of the only ones we don't get I'm gonna be pissed off!
It would be great to see Brazzers release all of them. But I agree that the Bridgette B. scene is one that I really want to see, along with the Diamond Foxx scene.

JasonKayne
05-25-11, 10:45 PM
It's good that Brazzers is giving us two PSP scenes for the second week in a row. Hopefully, this will be a regular occurrence for the next few weeks to make up the lapse in updates. I'm glad that Brazzers is doing this. I don't say this often, but Thanks Brazzers!

So you're happy with these latest PSP scenes, seriously?

fireknight
05-26-11, 12:10 AM
So you're happy with these latest PSP scenes, seriously?
I'm happy that Brazzers is releasing the scenes that they previously withheld, which are two of them so far (if the Ashli Orion scene actually makes it to release this time). I'm hoping that this continues so that we can finally see all the rest of the suspended scenes as well, such as the ones with Britney Amber, Bridgette B. and Diamond Foxx.

As for the two newest scenes with Raylene and Mia Lelani, I'm not very happy with those as they look like they were shot under the new tamer guidelines. I was also not totally happy with the way that the Nikita von James scene was edited and censored. But I was happy that we at least finally got to see it. A chopped up scene is better than no scene at all, I guess. I was disappointed when it looked like Brazzers was never going to release it at all. So I was glad that they did, even if they did hack it up before releasing it.

So what I am happy about is that it looks like we may finally get to see the scenes that we didn't get to see before.

DontLaugh
05-26-11, 02:15 AM
You could probably argue that all the site scenes have been tamned down somewhat. Maybe its just so they can get the CC's to calm down and look the other way after a while

Once again, this isn't about CC's anymore than it's about that bullshit focus group. You're pulling this CC shit out of the same ass the first person pulled it from... that excuse has not been thrown about by anyone working for Brazzers, the only time any of them mentioned it was to say that it could potentially effect the way they do business. The only excuse we were really given from anyone at Brazzers was the focus group...

...stop hanging on this CC crap!


I'm not impressed with the scenes right now. I mean, it's nice having something a little rougher than the rest of Brazzers, but... it's like gas prices. 10 years ago, before 9/11, gas prices were under $1.40/gallon in Washington D.C. and that was the beginning of a taxed rise and people were furious over it like they have been over this $4/gallon run we just had. Then the prices skyrocketed and dropped back down to about $1.80/gallon. Then we had another spike to $4 and then they leveled off at $2.19/gallon.

Sure, it's great paying $2.19 compared to $4, but we're losing sight of the fact we just got hoodwinked out of an extra $0.40/gallon.

We're being robbed of great possible content on account of some idiots in a focus group, but we've been so deprived of SOME quality that we're content with this watered down garbage.

This is what we call passive behavior. We need to be assertive. There's no way Brazzers throws on extra material branding the consensual acts of non-consent scenes whilst not giving us any of the material which deemed the disclaimer necessary.

fireknight
05-27-11, 01:18 AM
I just watched the newest Ashli Orion scene. First, Thanks Brazzers for releasing it!

Now, to share the good news and the bad news...

The Bad News: Just like the Nikita von James scene, the censorship is still really conspicuous. For example, the part in the trailer that shows Ashli crawling around on the floor and squealing like a pig has been noticeably deleted. We can clearly see the part where they chopped it out. It would be great if Brazzers would just release these scenes without feeling the need to butcher out all the best parts. Brazzers, leave the scenes intact and just release them! Quit Censoring The Scenes!!!

The Good News: Brazzers actually did release the scene this time around. I'm happy about that. Despite the irritating editing job again, I'm really glad that we finally got to see it. There's a lot of hardcore stuff still in the scene, including Ashli rimming James' ass, him choking her out, and snorting the cum up her nose after the cumshot. Yet, even with all that, the fact that other parts are being censored is still bothersome. But like I said before, I guess a chopped-up scene is better than no scene scene at all, even though it would be much better without any of the chopping.

TheBobster
05-27-11, 10:14 AM
Agreed. Look maybe after a time they can get PSP back to what it was but maybe they need to just have some heat taken off it just for the immediate future?

DontLaugh
05-27-11, 12:04 PM
Agreed. Look maybe after a time they can get PSP back to what it was but maybe they need to just have some heat taken off it just for the immediate future?

That's the point of the disclaimers and interviews... v_v

mia_lelani
05-28-11, 01:13 AM
I don't know all the logistics of why PSP has to be tamer, but I personally think we need some PSP scene like a scene I did the other day...enjoy the pics!
http://sexypeek.com/2jzo
http://sexypeek.com/2jzk
http://sexypeek.com/2jzm
http://sexypeek.com/2jzn
http://sexypeek.com/2jzj

BiffTheBellend
05-28-11, 10:36 AM
Does anyone else dislike the prominent position feet are playing in some of the scenes(I'm looking at you, James)? This isn't Six Feet Under and you're not Gabe.


I don't know all the logistics of why PSP has to be tamer, but I personally think we need some PSP scene like a scene I did the other day...enjoy the pics!
http://sexypeek.com/2jzo
http://sexypeek.com/2jzk
http://sexypeek.com/2jzm
http://sexypeek.com/2jzn
http://sexypeek.com/2jzj

I personally thought the scene was rather unseemly and would much rather have seen the two of you settle your disagreement over a nice game of scrabble.

TheLecher
05-28-11, 02:27 PM
In this case, we can't blame it on censors. There are no censors in porn. It's not like porn is subject to the rules of the MPAA or the FCC. When porn gets censored, it's because the same people who make it are also censoring it. There is no regulatory agency that comes onto PSP to cut scenes. Brazzers decides to do that on its own.


No censors in porn? Don't kid yourself. Porn has been targeted for censorship from the very beginning. You're right that there is no regulating body which passes or refuses approval for scenes before they can be released, but if you think that means that censorship hasn't been a persistent problem throughout the history of porn and doesn't still occur, then you're living in a dream world.

Yes, in the vast majority of cases, when material is cut from a release or a scene is taken offline or a title is pulled from a company's catalog, it's done by the company itself, in what we would call "self censoring," but it's always in response to pressure from external sources, and those sources are the actual censors. And, in a few cases, the material is actually removed by the external censors, as in the case of Extreme Associates' "Federal Five," which were taken off the market by the US government.

Pressure from external censors generally takes one of three forms, depending on who the censors are, either political pressure, judicial pressure, or economic pressure. I won't go into a detailed examination of each of these forms of censorship, as you won't have to look far to find concrete examples of each one.

Yes, there are censors working to censor porn (and always have been), and yes, we do need to oppose them.



Yeh this is starting to concern me too. HAM had become one of my fave sites because it was pasically PSP with 2 girls, and they were using interesting scene concepts. But the last clutch of scenes have been weak and boring, albeit Ariella's one was hot to watch as she does G/G very well. But with the next HAM update looking very weak as well, i am concerned that the edgier storylines we had been seeing from HAM have been replaced with this weak seduction storyline on far too regular a basis.


Yes, I'm beginning to be pretty concerned about it, myself, and rather annoyed, too. Just when it looks like we might be making progress in the fight to get PSP back, it appears that we might have to start fighting for HAM, as well.

If so, it's really fucking lame and really fucking annoying.



So you're happy with these latest PSP scenes, seriously?


Speaking only for myself, I have mixed feelings.

On the one hand, I'm glad to have the site updating again. And I'm very pleased that we're getting to see some of the scenes which had been suspended.

On the other hand, I'm not at all pleased with the way the new scenes are being done. This is exactly what we were afraid might happen, and what Tank assured us wouldn't happen. And I'm not talking about the inclusion of the disclaimer and the exit interview, which I don't mind at all. I'm talking about the fact that the new scenes are being watered down until they're almost not worth watching. And this watering down is taking place at each stage of production, from the writing of the initial script, to how the director shoots the scene, to what the performers are allowed to do (And it really sucks for the performers. These girls are going to have their scenes panned by a lot of people who want good PSP scenes, and it isn't the fault of the performers.), and I imagine that they're even watering it down further with the editing.

But it isn't yet time to give up hope. We know that the new scenes which are being released now were shot during the time when Brazzers was working out the "disclaimer + exit interview" solution (Although the Mia Lelani PSP scene was shot at the very end of April or earlier this month, which doesn't bode well for future scenes.), and that they were shot under new "Care Bear friendly" guidelines. Having now arrived at their solution, Brazzers may have reverted to the old guidelines for writing, shooting, and editing PSP scenes, and we wouldn't see the results for a month or more. And of course they're going to release the content they shot during the interim period, and of course they're going to include the disclaimers and exit interviews, both because it's now their policy and because it gets people used to the idea for when they go back to releasing good PSP scenes. This is, of course, assuming that they have returned to the old guidelines and that they ever do return to releasing good scenes on PSP. Time will tell.

However, if the new scenes which we've had so far are an indication of how PSP is going to be done from now on, then they need to change the disclaimer to "Warning: Brazzers is not responsible for personal injuries or property damage which may occur when you fall asleep out of boredom while watching this scene."

BiffTheBellend
05-28-11, 02:37 PM
Just want to make it clear, as a hitherto silent elite member, that Fireknight and TheLecher absolutely do speak for the rest of us in voicing their concern and disgust over this fiasco; granted, they have been too conciliatory in tone(they have refrained from calling you cunts when you're behaviour has been monumentally cuntish, for example) but they very much do speak for the silent majority.

fireknight
05-28-11, 09:01 PM
I don't know all the logistics of why PSP has to be tamer, but I personally think we need some PSP scene like a scene I did the other day...enjoy the pics!
http://sexypeek.com/2jzo
http://sexypeek.com/2jzk
http://sexypeek.com/2jzm
http://sexypeek.com/2jzn
http://sexypeek.com/2jzj
I agree that PSP doesn't need to be tamer. But I disagree that it needs all the ropes, chains, and other get-ups that we see on other fetish sites like Kink. PSP doesn't need all that. The thing that made PSP good was that it had solid scripts and storylines that always led up to a girl being "punished" for a transgression that she committed. The writing was good, the rough "punishment-style" sex was good, and, in most cases, the acting was good. No extra S/M props were necessary. Just a good storyline and some nice hard brutal fucking was all it took to make the site good. Unfortunately, as Lecher already said, there's no guarantee that these same quality aspects will continue in the future scenes that are now being newly produced.

Does anyone else dislike the prominent position feet are playing in some of the scenes(I'm looking at you, James)?
I like it, and hope that it remains among the acts that PSP keeps in its scenes. Seeing the guy step on the girl's face, or having her lick his feet, adds to the whole dominant/submissive factor of the scenes.

However, if the new scenes which we've had so far are an indication of how PSP is going to be done from now on, then they need to change the disclaimer to "Warning: Brazzers is not responsible for personal injuries or property damage which may occur when you fall asleep out of boredom while watching this scene."
Going by the latest new PSP scenes with Raylene and Mia Lelani, that should definitely be the new disclaimer.

TheLecher
05-28-11, 10:19 PM
I disagree that it needs all the ropes, chains, and other get-ups that we see on other fetish sites like Kink. PSP doesn't need all that. The thing that made PSP good was that it had solid scripts and storylines that always led up to a girl being "punished" for a transgression that she committed. The writing was good, the rough "punishment-style" sex was good, and, in most cases, the acting was good. No extra S/M props were necessary.


I wouldn't mind them working in a little bit of bondage and BDSM from time to time, just to broaden the scope of the site and switch things up a bit now and then, but if they were to do that, I would prefer that it be a pretty rare occurence. I like Sex and Submission, but I like PSP better (the way it was, I mean), and I wouldn't want it to turn into Sex and Submission or Fucking Dungeon.

In the past, PSP has included elements of light bondage from time to time, and I think it's worked well in those instances.

fireknight
05-28-11, 10:34 PM
I wouldn't mind them working in a little bit of bondage and BDSM from time to time, just to broaden the scope of the site and switch things up a bit now and then, but if they were to do that, I would prefer that it be a pretty rare occurence. I like Sex and Submission, but I like PSP better (the way it was, I mean), and I wouldn't want it to turn into Sex and Submission or Fucking Dungeon.

In the past, PSP has included elements of light bondage from time to time, and I think it's worked well in those instances.
I'm not a fan of Kink. I like(d) PSP much better. The two sites cannot even be compared because they're not nearly the same, nor should they be. While Kink is solely about fetish bondage, PSP is a regular porn site which happens to focus on sex as "punishment." The storylines and the convincing acting are mainly what made PSP good, and are the things that Kink lacks. The two sites are not similar.

PSP needs to just stick with the formula that made it a good site in the first place rather than attempt to imitate another lesser site. Besides, with the issues PSP is having, I don't see it incorporating any bondage aspects anyway. I also don't recall it happening in any past scenes. Which scenes were those that you say did have it?

JasonKayne
05-28-11, 10:57 PM
Just want to make it clear, as a hitherto silent elite member, that Fireknight and TheLecher absolutely do speak for the rest of us in voicing their concern and disgust over this fiasco; granted, they have been too conciliatory in tone(they have refrained from calling you cunts when you're behaviour has been monumentally cuntish, for example) but they very much do speak for the silent majority.

So.... your status as a 'hiterto silent elite member" gives you special insight into what the >99% of BraZZers membership that remains silent on the forums think? Child, please.
The best bet is that the opinions, if they actually have an opinion re:PSP, among this silent group would break down at about the same percentages as the group that is sounding off. A substantial majority would have preferred PSP be left as it was.
That ain't happening. That's damned obvious from these latest offerings.
We can come to the forums or the individual scene comments and blow off steam or give our opinion but the only opinion BraZZers gives a flying fuck about is the one we form when deciding to renew membership.
PSP isn't the only site that's being watered down under these new guidelines, at least in MY individual opinion. The question is, will BraZZers(lite) sell? You can cast your vote at the cashiers window.

JasonKayne
05-28-11, 11:17 PM
On the other hand, I'm not at all pleased with the way the new scenes are being done. This is exactly what we were afraid might happen, and what Tank assured us wouldn't happen.[/i]

Best advice my grandpa ever gave me, "Never trust a man who believes his own bullshit."
I think I"ll use that as my next signature line.

Laddydeath1
05-29-11, 12:20 AM
wow the same people are still bitching about PSP even after its back that is all

TheLecher
05-29-11, 12:36 AM
wow the same people are still bitching about PSP even after its back that is all


Did it come back the same as it was before? If not, then there's good reason to complain.

You're still bitching about other people speaking their minds? Still? Get a fucking life.

fireknight
05-29-11, 12:46 AM
wow the same people are still bitching about PSP even after its back that is all
Nobody is "bitching" about anything. I have said repeatedly that I'm glad that PSP is back and updating, especially with the two scenes per week we've been getting. I have also said how good it is to see that Brazzers is now releasing those scenes which were previously withheld.

However, there is still a lingering frustration due to the fact that even though PSP has returned and those scenes are being released, the quality of the site appears to be on a decline with both the tameness of the newer scenes, and the excessive censorship of the older scenes. It's like Brazzers is saying, "We'll give you back PSP and all the scenes you've been waiting to see. But we're also going to make the scenes so bad that it won't look like the same site that everyone has been waiting for."

I'm glad the site is back. But it would be great if we could also have it back without all these adjustments accompanying it.

semester
05-29-11, 02:21 AM
Did it come back the same as it was before? If not, then there's good reason to complain.

You're still bitching about other people speaking their minds? Still? Get a fucking life.

Woah, woah, woah, woah there champ. If there's anyone on this forum that needs to "get a fucking life", it would be you. Let's set the record straight on that one pal.

Lmfao

Edit: if you're willing to contest that, we can always set up a poll (you love making polls on this forum, dont ya?)

Teh_Scotsman
05-29-11, 10:25 AM
Get a fucking life.

Pot = Kettle much?

Cant really say shit like that when you know more about porn than the rest of the active members of this forum combine.

You telling somebody to get a life is like Franklin telling somebody to go get laid...

TheLecher
05-29-11, 08:20 PM
if you're willing to contest that, we can always set up a poll (you love making polls on this forum, dont ya?)


Polls don't establish facts, they reveal opinions.



Cant really say shit like that when you know more about porn than the rest of the active members of this forum combine.


Of course I can say shit like that. I just did. You didn't see that? I type the words and they appear on the screen. That's how the technology works.

Laddydeath1
05-29-11, 10:56 PM
Did it come back the same as it was before? If not, then there's good reason to complain.

You're still bitching about other people speaking their minds? Still? Get a fucking life.



there is a deference in speaking there minds and crying like fucking Loser/ CUNT Maybe you should get your head out of your ass and think about it instead.


Psp went tamer to get the fuck jobs off there back and will go back to pushing the envelope but them that would be a smart though but other then stroking your Ego you cant do anything you dumb fuck.



SO before you tell me to "get a life" why don't you take your head out of ya ass and act like you know WTF your talking about.


... lol and this "guy" i use the word loosely tells me to get a life lol

delboy3
05-30-11, 01:24 PM
The only dumb fuck on here is you.You cant even spell or write properly.

PSP is not the same as it was before.If people do not complain then nothing will be done.
And if they do complain,a retard tells them to get a fucking life.

TheLecher
05-30-11, 03:41 PM
there is a deference in speaking there minds and crying like fucking Loser/ CUNT Maybe you should get your head out of your ass and think about it instead.


Psp went tamer to get the fuck jobs off there back and will go back to pushing the envelope but them that would be a smart though but other then stroking your Ego you cant do anything you dumb fuck.



SO before you tell me to "get a life" why don't you take your head out of ya ass and act like you know WTF your talking about.


... lol and this "guy" i use the word loosely tells me to get a life lol


So basically, you're the poster child for "can dish it out, but can't take it." You're perfectly happy to tell other people to, and I quote you, "Get a fucking life," when they keep going on about the same things, but when someone uses the exact same words on you when you keep going on about the same things, you start frothing at the mouth.

As for stroking egos, this whole post of yours ↑ was nothing but an attempt to salvage your ego. You got told off for being a dumbass, and now you have to play the internet tough guy. Just so you know, trolling and flaming don't make you any less of a dumbass.

And your "act like you know WTF you're talking about" comment just isn't going to fly. It will be pretty clear to anyone who actually reads my posts in this thread that I have a pretty clear idea of what I'm talking about. And it will be equally clear to anyone who reads the majority of your posts in this thread (Actually, your first few posts in this thread were relevant and sensible.) that you're just pitching a fit like a rabid two-year-old.



The only dumb fuck on here is you.You cant even spell or write properly.


In fairness to Laddydeath1, English is not his first language. The errors in spelling and grammar are understandable.

However, the irrational responses are a bit harder to excuse.

Song
05-30-11, 05:28 PM
Licker, FireCunt and Ladyfail rocks. ZZ should make coffee book from this thread.

Laddydeath1
05-30-11, 09:24 PM
So basically, you're the poster child for "can dish it out, but can't take it." You're perfectly happy to tell other people to, and I quote you, "Get a fucking life," when they keep going on about the same things, but when someone uses the exact same words on you when you keep going on about the same things, you start frothing at the mouth.

As for stroking egos, this whole post of yours ↑ was nothing but an attempt to salvage your ego. You got told off for being a dumbass, and now you have to play the internet tough guy. Just so you know, trolling and flaming don't make you any less of a dumbass.

And your "act like you know WTF you're talking about" comment just isn't going to fly. It will be pretty clear to anyone who actually reads my posts in this thread that I have a pretty clear idea of what I'm talking about. And it will be equally clear to anyone who reads the majority of your posts in this thread (Actually, your first few posts in this thread were relevant and sensible.) that you're just pitching a fit like a rabid two-year-old.



In fairness to Laddydeath1, English is not his first language. The errors in spelling and grammar are understandable.

However, the irrational responses are a bit harder to excuse.



I will move on and man up say sorry for my hissy fit last night :) had to work 10 hrs OT at work and I was drunk and cranky last night.


But still give psp 2-3 weeks and see if it goes back to the same thing it used to be i still say there trying to Please the CC peeps and when they see it no longer a rape thing they will move on and go back to old PSP


thats just what I think though :)

Laddydeath1
05-30-11, 09:27 PM
Phoenix Marie in : Brazzi-leaks.cum : HD Trailer


just got a glimpse of this and all i can say is it looks like psp is back :)


so to all the people saying PSP has changed take a look at that then tell me.

TheLecher
05-30-11, 09:47 PM
I will move on and man up say sorry for my hissy fit last night :) had to work 10 hrs OT at work and I was drunk and cranky last night.


No worries, man. Everyone has a bad day now and then.



But still give psp 2-3 weeks and see if it goes back to the same thing it used to be i still say there trying to Please the CC peeps and when they see it no longer a rape thing they will move on and go back to old PSP


I'm still waiting to see what will happen. My posts in this thread over the past couple of weeks are just a running commentary on what I'm seeing and what I think of it.

And I've always been of the opinion (and have said so a couple of times in this thread) that the credit card processing issue is a factor in this whole fiasco, although I don't think that it's the whole problem.



Phoenix Marie in : Brazzi-leaks.cum : HD Trailer


just got a glimpse of this and all i can say is it looks like psp is back :)


so to all the people saying PSP has changed take a look at that then tell me.


I'm waiting to see whether or not it's been butchered in editing. I'm also waiting to see what the PSP scenes they're shooting now will look like. If the disclaimers and exit interviews are worth having on the scenes at all, then they should be adequate to allow them to go back to shooting and releasing good, solid PSP scenes.

fireknight
05-30-11, 10:04 PM
I must have spoken too soon when I said that the return of PSP brings Brazzers members together. Isn't there enough drama from Brazzers already without adding to it?

Getting back to the point, I hope to see PSP back the way it was soon. I don't know if that will happen. But hope springs eternal.

On a more positive note, here's to hoping that everyone had an enjoyable Memorial Day today, whether or not you're a fan of PSP.

Laddydeath1
05-30-11, 10:06 PM
to me it will be this simple .. James dean rocks in psp ... since he works for Kink he is a great Alpha Male for psp .. if they let him back in after the "new psp" we will be saved if not then its a big loss for us ...

fireknight
05-30-11, 11:24 PM
Phoenix Marie in : Brazzi-leaks.cum : HD Trailer


just got a glimpse of this and all i can say is it looks like psp is back :)


so to all the people saying PSP has changed take a look at that then tell me.
I remember when this trailer was originally posted before PSP was interrupted. I said back then that it looked like one of the lighter PSP scenes, and that was before the site went tame. After rewatching the trailer, my opinion hasn't changed. After all, it has Evan Stone in it. So it can't be too rough. The good thing about it is that it doesn't look like Brazzers will have to send it to the editing chopping block, unless even the tame scenes are now also too edgy for Brazzers.

The scenes I'm really waiting to see are the ones with Bridgette B. and Britney Amber. Those are the ones I'm hoping don't get hacked up.

to me it will be this simple .. James dean rocks in psp ... since he works for Kink he is a great Alpha Male for psp .. if they let him back in after the "new psp" we will be saved if not then its a big loss for us ...
It doesn't matter who stars in PSP. Regardless of who performs for the site, they're not going to be able to do anything that Brazzers doesn't allow them to do. This goes back to what Lecher already said how people assume that a weak scene is the fault of the performers or the director, when the fact of the matter is that they can't give a stronger scene because Brazzers restricts what they're allowed to do. Nikki Sexxx basically told us right here that there are certain things that performers can no longer do because Brazzers is toning down the site. There are also other girls, such Mia Lelani and Bridgette B., who have expressed disagreement with the decision of Brazzers to tone down the site.

It's also not the decision of the directors who shoot for the site. I'm convinced that the PSP directors would love to continue shooting the type of dark or extreme scenes that fans want to see. But as we all know by now, they have been told what they can no longer shoot, whether they want to or not. So it doesn't matter who the actor is, or who is the actress is, or who the director is, or who the scriptwriter is, etc. Brazzers makes the final decisions, not the performers/directors/writers, etc., who work for the company. If Brazzers says no more hard or edgy PSP, then there's nothing that the people producing the scenes can do about it, just like there's nothing that we can do about it other than voicing our opinions or not renewing our memberships.

JasonKayne
05-31-11, 09:45 AM
If Brazzers says no more hard or edgy PSP, then there's nothing that the people producing the scenes can do about it, just like there's nothing that we can do about it other than voicing our opinions or not renewing our memberships.

At the bottom of the previous page I said, and say again. . . The only opinion from membership BraZZers gives a flying fuck about is the one you express at the cashier's window.

fireknight
05-31-11, 04:46 PM
At the bottom of the previous page I said, and say again. . . The only opinion from membership BraZZers gives a flying fuck about is the one you express at the cashier's window.
I saw it, and I fully agree with you. That's why I think it's safe to say that declining memberships may have been a factor in the return of PSP. Of course, I don't have access to that data. So I can't say that for sure. But considering the number of members who came out and said that PSP was the only reason they joined in the first place, I don't think it's far-fetched to say that Brazzers stood to lose a lot of members over it.

JasonKayne
06-01-11, 09:46 PM
I saw it, and I fully agree with you. That's why I think it's safe to say that declining memberships may have been a factor in the return of PSP. Of course, I don't have access to that data. So I can't say that for sure. But considering the number of members who came out and said that PSP was the only reason they joined in the first place, I don't think it's far-fetched to say that Brazzers stood to lose a lot of members over it.

Well they've lost me. I said I was going to stick around and she how this played out, and now I know. Fortunately I didn't opt for the year package or I'd REALLY be pissed. PSP is still the best site because when it when in the toilet the rest followed. Even BraZZers knows they now have to say the word - punishment - in the scenes else you not know what you're watching. Screw it.

bamaballer
06-01-11, 09:53 PM
Get a fucking life.



Most ironic post on this forum this year.

Banger1
06-02-11, 02:01 AM
Hmmm, I just reckon PSP's a bit rubbish. I don't like paying good money to see some red hot chick get slapped around and humiliated but then that's just me - never once got off to it but then if that's your thing... Good thing that there's plenty of other content that's to my taste. Only adding my view which I guess we're all entitled to. I'll be movin' right along now.

bs0u0140
06-02-11, 04:50 AM
Wasn't there to be 2 PSP scenes released on the 2nd June? Because I do not see them on the main page, nor under new scenes, nor under uncoming scenes, not even on Phoenix Maries page.

shahram
06-02-11, 05:38 AM
Wasn't there to be 2 PSP scenes released on the 2nd June? Because I do not see them on the main page, nor under new scenes, nor under uncoming scenes, not even on Phoenix Maries page.

It was there 3 hours ago when I checked, but it's not there anymore (the Phoenix Marie scene). I didn't see 2 PSP scenes, only this one.

BiffTheBellend
06-02-11, 07:13 AM
Wasn't there to be 2 PSP scenes released on the 2nd June? Because I do not see them on the main page, nor under new scenes, nor under uncoming scenes, not even on Phoenix Maries page.

They fucked us. Again. The fucking balls on these pricks.

alexius81
06-02-11, 07:44 AM
so where's Phoenix Marie scene??

tidrus45
06-02-11, 09:46 AM
Well the phoenix marie scene is available, just not on brazzers.

Seriously, this kind of screwing around is what drives paying members toward filesharing and torrent sites. Why bother paying for membership when new advertised content is either not released or is released for a grand total of an hour and then disappears again and is only available on filesharing sites until some unknown time in the future when brazzers might put it back up?

BiffTheBellend
06-02-11, 10:03 AM
Well the phoenix marie scene is available, just not on brazzers.

Seriously, this kind of screwing around is what drives paying members toward filesharing and torrent sites. Why bother paying for membership when new advertised content is either not released or is released for a grand total of an hour and then disappears again and is only available on filesharing sites until some unknown time in the future when brazzers might put it back up?

Pick the irony out of that.

KaiN
06-02-11, 11:05 AM
Sorry guys for that scene. It will get released, just we had some corruption on some of the files. This time, its just a technical glitch. It will be up asap.

RedDevils87
06-02-11, 11:10 AM
Will the Bridgette scene be released?

datedd1
06-02-11, 11:34 AM
They fucked us. Again. The fucking balls on these pricks.

I'm sorry, but I just got done laughing for about 20 minutes with tears rolling down my eyes and hardly being able to breathe. I log in yesterday and see the Phoenix Marie scene all prominent and ready to go. THEN this morning POOF!! gone with the wind. Now mind you I'm not a fan of PSP, but I DO feel for you all for what is happening. Believe me.

But then something told me to go in here and see what was up, because I knew all hell is going to break loose, and sure enough I was right! First bs0u0140, then shahram but the classic, all time post of this topic was "THEY FUCKED US AGAIN..THE FUCKING BALLS ON THESE PRICKS" by Cardie.

That was the "shitz" best post in this forum, that did it for me..I'm still laughing! You're the best!

You have to see the sometimes the "humor" in all of this, because otherwise you are all going to bang your heads against the wall. Cardie's post has made my day and I thank you for it!

Nuf said..peace out!

fireknight
06-02-11, 01:04 PM
Will the Bridgette scene be released?
Or the Britney Amber scene? Or the Diamond Foxxx scene?

I hadn't noticed that the Phoenix Marie scene had disappeared until I read it here on the forum. Hopefully, it's true that it really was a glitch, and will be back up again shortly. I'm also wondering if we will get another two scenes this week, or will this be the only one?

TheBobster
06-02-11, 05:27 PM
Its times like these, that you know why people download movies illegally when we can't get the product we want on time

Death49
06-02-11, 06:54 PM
Its times like these, that you know why people download movies illegally when we can't get the product we want on time

Its true, I could easily go to a torrent or fileshare site and get hold of todays PSP but I go to the source and its not there. I was lucky to d/l this morning.

And porn companies wonder why piracy is such a big problem for them.

alexius81
06-02-11, 07:06 PM
Sorry guys for that scene. It will get released, just we had some corruption on some of the files. This time, its just a technical glitch. It will be up asap.

I hope that...

Song
06-02-11, 07:12 PM
Sorry guys for that scene. It will get released, just we had some corruption on some of the files. This time, its just a technical glitch. It will be up asap.

pirates never having corruptions problems, they always delivering. this is the thing that ppl love about them

stevesyanks
06-03-11, 12:06 AM
I hope no one honestly believes the "corruption" BS. It was up fine, and then magically "corrupted". Hahaha, okay dude.

DontLaugh
06-03-11, 02:44 AM
How often do scenes go corrupt? Pardon me if I'm incorrect, but they used the corrupt excuse when this all started as some sort of way to buy time with the audience. And how long does it take to fix a corrupt file? And why have people downloaded the scene without problems if it's corrupt?

Money should be refunded to all members of BraZZers for having to pay for the extra content of PSP which didn't update for 2 months, and is still being taken down now. There's a couple dollars worth of refund in that for everyone. This started off ridiculous, and has gotten worse every step of the way.

BiffTheBellend
06-03-11, 03:16 AM
How often do scenes go corrupt? Pardon me if I'm incorrect, but they used the corrupt excuse when this all started as some sort of way to buy time with the audience. And how long does it take to fix a corrupt file? And why have people downloaded the scene without problems if it's corrupt?

Money should be refunded to all members of BraZZers for having to pay for the extra content of PSP which didn't update for 2 months, and is still being taken down now. There's a couple dollars worth of refund in that for everyone. This started off ridiculous, and has gotten worse every step of the way.

That presupposes that they value us as customers, which is something they've gone to great lengths to prove isn't the case.

Interestingly, by Brazzers own logic and their shitty service, every member has the right to head down to brazzers HQ and fuck(punish) the first attractive female they encounter.

fireknight
06-03-11, 08:51 PM
I figure everybody already knows this by now, but the Phoenix Marie scene is back up. I got it before it was taken down. It's much better than I thought it would be, with a lot of the elements of the old and better PSP. So I'm wondering if it was edited during the time it was down. I haven't watched the newly posted scene to see if there's any difference between the two.

Also, I'm wondering if it's now gotten back to the point where it's a guessing game again whether or not PSP will update regularly. From the looks of it, RWS, BV, and PSP are the only three scenes that are not currently posted yet in the Upcoming section for next week. But of course, PSP is the only one we have to worry about.

TheLecher
06-03-11, 09:10 PM
So I'm wondering if it was edited during the time it was down.


The running time is the same.

blackblue
06-06-11, 10:21 AM
i'm sorry guys but i'm been out of town for some days .... the psp scenes deleted are not yet back .... why???

BiffTheBellend
06-08-11, 12:39 PM
Upcoming scenes?

JasonKayne
06-08-11, 09:41 PM
Upcoming scenes?

The trailer on the upcoming scene with Monique Alexander looks hot as hell. Probably means it won't be released.

fireknight
06-08-11, 10:00 PM
The trailer on the upcoming scene with Monique Alexander looks hot as hell. Probably means it won't be released.
It's hard to tell just going by the trailer. I'll reserve judgement until after watching the actual scene.

I also wish Brazzers would hurry up and get around to releasing the PSP scenes I really want to see: Bridgette B., Britney Amber, and Diamond Foxxx.

sodiumx
06-09-11, 08:48 AM
I also wish Brazzers would hurry up and get around to releasing the PSP scenes I really want to see: Bridgette B., Britney Amber, and Diamond Foxxx.

Didn't realize they shot a Diamond Foxxx PSP scene, I also wouldn't mind watching either of the prior 2. I'm still waiting for the scene I thought I saw mentioned in this thread a few pages back a few weeks ago and thats Veronica Avluv's.

fireknight
06-09-11, 09:18 AM
I've skimmed through the Monique Alexander scene that was released today. I haven't watched it all the way through from start to finish yet. But from what I skimmed of it, it looks pretty good. So far, I haven't noticed any choppy editing that was in some of the previous scenes. I'm also glad that the scene was released only with the disclaimer, and not with a post-interview. As I said before, the disclaimer alone is sufficient without the interview. Hopefully, this means they might scrap the interviews in future scenes, and stick only with the disclaimer.

I'm also wondering if there's going to be a second PSP scene posted this week. Last week was the first week since they brought back PSP that there was only one scene instead of two. It would be great if they continued to post two PSP scenes per week until all the previously suspended scenes have been released. But I don't know if they're going to do that.

blackblue
06-09-11, 09:50 AM
we want the deleted scene back asap ........ if not i cancel my membership!!!!!!

BiffTheBellend
06-09-11, 12:16 PM
I've skimmed through the Monique Alexander scene that was released today. I haven't watched it all the way through from start to finish yet. But from what I skimmed of it, it looks pretty good. So far, I haven't noticed any choppy editing that was in some of the previous scenes. I'm also glad that the scene was released only with the disclaimer, and not with a post-interview. As I said before, the disclaimer alone is sufficient without the interview. Hopefully, this means they might scrap the interviews in future scenes, and stick only with the disclaimer.

I'm also wondering if there's going to be a second PSP scene posted this week. Last week was the first week since they brought back PSP that there was only one scene instead of two. It would be great if they continued to post two PSP scenes per week until all the previously suspended scenes have been released. But I don't know if they're going to do that.

They should be doing two a week or release a whole block of scenes at one time, if for no other reason than they jerked us around for a while.

TheLecher
06-09-11, 02:37 PM
I've skimmed through the Monique Alexander scene that was released today. I haven't watched it all the way through from start to finish yet. But from what I skimmed of it, it looks pretty good. So far, I haven't noticed any choppy editing that was in some of the previous scenes.


I agree. It looks pretty good. I haven't finished the scene yet, either, but what I saw wasn't watered down, and it wasn't over edited.

As for the lack of an exit interview, I think this scene was shot before they settled on the idea of interviews. Unless my memory is faulty, this one was shot before the big PSP controversy really heated up. If that's correct, then it means that we still have to wait and see what the scenes they're shooting now are going to look like.

At least they didn't shy away from releasing this one as it is. That's a good sign.

fireknight
06-16-11, 12:18 PM
The PSP scene this week with Madison Ivy is great. There are a few places in the scene where we can still tell it had been edited. But it's not too bad, and nowhere near as bad as the chopping jobs in some of the other scenes. Overall, it's a fantastic PSP scene that has everything that a good PSP scene is supposed to have.

Jordan also did a great job, as usual. I can see why he and James are the go-to guys for PSP, at least back when it was still producing good scenes. That is one funny dude. I really cracked up when he said, "The script calls for you to have a red ass." I also liked seeing all the slapping, choking, and fish-hooking. I really have no complaints about the scene this week. Hopefully, I'll be able to say the same about the scenes that get released in the future.

alexius81
06-16-11, 05:58 PM
don't know if anyone already posted it, but Phoenix Marie's PSP scene is back for download...

fireknight
06-17-11, 06:07 AM
So it looks like Brazzers is still holding back on the Bridgette B., Britney Amber, and Diamond Foxxx scenes. This is really ridiculous.

Next week, they have a new scene with Jewels Jade up to be released. But still no sign of those other three scenes that were produced before that one. Every week, I keep thinking that they're finally going to release one of them. And every week, they keep finding a different scene to release instead. They've also stopped releasing two scenes a week and have now gone back to one, even though there are still scenes that they're taking forver to release. We all know that they have these other 3+ scenes in the queue. Why don't they hurry up and release them already!?

JasonKayne
06-17-11, 09:40 AM
So it looks like Brazzers is still holding back on the Bridgette B., Britney Amber, and Diamond Foxxx scenes. This is really ridiculous.

Indeed it is. I liked the latest scene but I can't remember ever not liking a Madison Ivy scene.
Back when this whole fiasco started I canceled my membership, but wound up renewing because they offered a "special" deal and because we were assured this would all work out if we'd just give them time.
It hasn't.
In fact, this new philosophy (or whatever the hell) has now permeated the whole site, or so it seems.
Fool me once . . .

TheBobster
06-17-11, 09:17 PM
Something tells me we're not going to see them ... sad face

RedDevils87
06-18-11, 08:31 AM
Something tells me we're not going to see them ... sad face

We better see Bridgette's dammit!

sithlorddallas
06-18-11, 07:07 PM
Well we still dont have..or will ever get Dylan ryder's PSP scene awhile back..and Veronica's scene with KL

Song
06-18-11, 07:48 PM
btw i think ZZ may have a problem with PSP now. i mean Jordan is retired and James is in Europe now so...

tgghpg1
06-19-11, 02:47 PM
btw i think ZZ may have a problem with PSP now. i mean Jordan is retired and James is in Europe now so...

It's cool, just get in Barry Scott and Ralph Long, and ZZ will be covered. Those guys can seriously bring the punishment!

RedDevils87
06-19-11, 03:00 PM
Bridgette B scene please...

fireknight
06-19-11, 04:12 PM
Back when this whole fiasco started I canceled my membership, but wound up renewing because they offered a "special" deal and because we were assured this would all work out if we'd just give them time.
It hasn't.
In fact, this new philosophy (or whatever the hell) has now permeated the whole site, or so it seems.
Fool me once . . .
I had already cancelled when the fiasco was going on. But I decided to renew when they posted the Nikita von James PSP scene, and restarted the weekly updates. I had promised that I would renew if Brazzers did that. As of right now, I intend to stay true to my promise. It would be nice if Brazzers also stayed true to its promise to release all the PSP scenes that were previously suspended, and without any of the censored editing.

With the way things are now, I'd only renew on a monthly basis. I wouldn't yet be willing to commit to another whole year without having any guarantee on the status of PSP. Once I'm convinced that PSP is a site still worth paying for, and that all its problems have been resolved, then I'd consider continuing as an annual member. The PSP episodes that go up within the next few weeks should let us know the future direction of the site.

Well we still dont have..or will ever get Dylan ryder's PSP scene awhile back..and Veronica's scene with KL
Unless Dylan Ryder did another PSP scene that I know about, her scene was released, but then deleted along with the other deleted scenes, which was weird because her scene wasn't at all rough. It was one of the lightest scenes on the site.

btw i think ZZ may have a problem with PSP now. i mean Jordan is retired and James is in Europe now so...
When did Jordan retire? I hadn't heard about that. Even if true, I think it will probably just be another Scott Nails type of retirement, where he leaves for a while and then comes back. Besides, lack of male talent is not one of the problems PSP is experiencing. The problems with PSP are the censorship, the softening of the site, and the disregard for the members who like it.

I agree that James and Jordan are perfect for PSP. But even without James and Jordan, there are plenty of other guys who would be good for the site. Scott Nails could always return to the site. Johnny Sinns was also really good in the two PSP scenes he did. Danny Mountain, Bruce Venture, Bill Bailey, and Justin Magnum are also good casting choices going by their performances in other scenes. The problem is not finding guys for the site. The problem is Brazzers ruining the site overall.

It's cool, just get in Barry Scott and Ralph Long, and ZZ will be covered. Those guys can seriously bring the punishment!
NOOOOO!!!!!! Those are terrible choices for PSP. It's bad enough they're already using Mick Blue and Evan Stone, not to mention everything else Brazzers is doing to drag down the site.

Bridgette B scene please...
And Britney Amber... And Diamond Foxxx

bfar66
06-19-11, 04:55 PM
When did Jordan retire? I hadn't heard about that. Even if true, I think it will probably just be another Scott Nails type of retirement, where he leaves for a while and then comes back.

Just Dave mentions it in his thread, posts 5 and 11: http://www.brazzersforum.com/showthread.php?16837-List-the-male-performers-that-you-like-don-t-like-and-why...

tgghpg1
06-19-11, 07:35 PM
NOOOOO!!!!!! Those are terrible choices for PSP. It's bad enough they're already using Mick Blue and Evan Stone, not to mention everything else Brazzers is doing to drag down the site.

Ok, you might have missed the sarcasm there. Anyone who would ever think that Ralph Long could bring punishment to a scene has never seen Ralph Long.

Either that or i've missed your sarcasm. Either way we both agree neither of these guys should be on PSP soon. Or ever.

fireknight
06-19-11, 07:43 PM
Ok, you might have missed the sarcasm there. Anyone who would ever think that Ralph Long could bring punishment to a scene has never seen Ralph Long.

Either that or i've missed your sarcasm. Either way we both agree neither of these guys should be on PSP soon. Or ever.
I thought you were probably being sarcastic. But it wasn't fully clear. So I wasn't completely sure if you were or not.

tgghpg1
06-19-11, 07:47 PM
I thought you were probably being sarcastic. But it wasn't fully clear. So I wasn't completely sure if you were or not.

Yes it's always tough to imply sarcasm over the internet. But i did hope Ralph Long would be my sarcasm ace-in-the-hole. Guess not.

RedDevils87
06-24-11, 08:00 PM
I know rough sex doesn't have to be anal, but I think it's weird when a star who usually does anal DOESN'T do it for PSP. Take the recent Jewels Jade scene. She does anal in most scenes, so PSP seems a strange choice to be one of the few scenes without anal.

tgghpg1
06-24-11, 08:16 PM
I know rough sex doesn't have to be anal, but I think it's weird when a star who usually does anal DOESN'T do it for PSP. Take the recent Jewels Jade scene. She does anal in most scenes, so PSP seems a strange choice to be one of the few scenes without anal.

Lol. Yeh it's a bit like, well we know u take it in the ass, but the guy punishing you is nice enough not to try to fuck it while he 'punishes' you.

I admit although Sadie's PSP was an awesome scene (when it was still on the site), i was a bit disappointed that out of 3 scenes fairly close together, the PSP scene was the only one without anal in it.

fireknight
06-27-11, 11:47 AM
I know rough sex doesn't have to be anal, but I think it's weird when a star who usually does anal DOESN'T do it for PSP. Take the recent Jewels Jade scene. She does anal in most scenes, so PSP seems a strange choice to be one of the few scenes without anal.
I'm not one of those people who thinks that PSP should be an all-anal site, and that every scene should have anal. I like the mix of anal and non-anal girls they get on the site. But I agree that it doesn't make sense to have a girl on the site who does anal, but not have her do it for PSP. If a girl does anal already, then PSP should be the one site where she does do it. This is just another thing that Brazzers does that I don't understand.

Lol. Yeh it's a bit like, well we know u take it in the ass, but the guy punishing you is nice enough not to try to fuck it while he 'punishes' you.

I admit although Sadie's PSP was an awesome scene (when it was still on the site), i was a bit disappointed that out of 3 scenes fairly close together, the PSP scene was the only one without anal in it.
Crazy, isn't it? Like I said, I don't get it either.

TheLecher
06-27-11, 01:40 PM
I know rough sex doesn't have to be anal, but I think it's weird when a star who usually does anal DOESN'T do it for PSP. Take the recent Jewels Jade scene. She does anal in most scenes, so PSP seems a strange choice to be one of the few scenes without anal.




Lol. Yeh it's a bit like, well we know u take it in the ass, but the guy punishing you is nice enough not to try to fuck it while he 'punishes' you.

I admit although Sadie's PSP was an awesome scene (when it was still on the site), i was a bit disappointed that out of 3 scenes fairly close together, the PSP scene was the only one without anal in it.




I'm not one of those people who thinks that PSP should be an all-anal site, and that every scene should have anal. I like the mix of anal and non-anal girls they get on the site. But I agree that it doesn't make sense to have a girl on the site who does anal, but not have her do it for PSP. If a girl does anal already, then PSP should be the one site where she does do it. This is just another thing that Brazzers does that I don't understand.

Crazy, isn't it? Like I said, I don't get it either.


I'm also in the "give me a good mix" camp. And even though I've always been a big fan of anal scenes, I prefer that they keep the ratio of anal to non-anal scenes at a bit less than 50%, on the network as a whole. I would like to see that reversed on PSP, though. I think that the ratio of anal to non-anal on PSP should be slightly higher than 50%, though perhaps only slightly higher. I don't actually have a target ratio in mind, but at the moment, we're a bit below the mark for scenes currently on the site. We're currently at 48% of PSP scenes including anal, which is considerably higher than the ratio on other sites, excepting BBLIB and BWB.

As for girls who do shoot anal not doing it in their PSP scenes, I can think of a couple of reasons why that might be.

First, we should bear in mind that the girl in the scene isn't always the girl who was originally booked. Girl A may have cancelled, for whatever reason, and Girl B may have gotten the call. If the scene was a non-anal scene to begin with, they might not change that fact, even though the replacement girl does anal. Or, Girl B may have gotten the call to be a replacement at the very last minute, and not had time to prep for anal. We should bear in mind that most girls need a 24 hour previous notice in order to be anal ready.

Second, some girls who do anal are "anal selective." They'll do anal, but only with certain guys. In this case, it might not always be possible for Brazzers to work out the scheduling. If a certain girl will do anal with Keiran and with Scott, but not with Jordan, and both Keiran and Scott are scheduled to do other scenes on the only day when the PSP scene can be shot, then the girl technically isn't available for anal on that day.

Those are just two possible explanations. I imagine that there are others, as well.

fireknight
06-28-11, 08:22 PM
I finally just got around to watching the latest Jewels Jade PSP scene. I know it's been out for almost a week already. But I'm just not as excited about watching the new PSP scenes as I used to be about the old ones, which is why I wasn't exactly in a rush to see this one. As expected, I was greatly disappointed.

In addition to the disclaimer and post-interview, this scene again goes out of its way to continually beat us over the head with reminding us that it's all fake. Throughout the entire scene, Jewels repeatedly says things like "I want more," and "I deserve it," and "Yes, I like it," etc. Even when Mick is spanking her, she tells him to do it harder. I don't see how this is "punishment."

These newer scenes only prove that Brazzers has completely removed the entire punishment aspect from the site. This only makes me wonder what the hell is the point of the dislclaimer and interview. As another member said, if Brazers is going to do all that, then at least make the scenes worth warching with real "punishment." Unfortunately, those days seem over.

I'm hoping Brazzers releases the delayed PSP scenes starring Bridgette B. and Britney Amber. Going by what we've seen so far, none of the newer ones will be worth watching.

RedDevils87
06-28-11, 08:56 PM
Dude loads of the old PSP scenes were the same with the girls letting us know they're into it. You seem to be insinuating this has only happened the last few weeks since it came back.

fireknight
06-28-11, 09:29 PM
Dude loads of the old PSP scenes were the same with the girls letting us know they're into it. You seem to be insinuating this has only happened the last few weeks since it came back.
It did happen in some of the older scenes. But it usually depended on other factors such as the talent in the scene, the director, the script, etc. It was also more sporadic and not a regular occurrence that seemed required in all scenes. It's just like with any other movie or scene in which the performers do a better job than performers in another scene.

In the new scenes, it appears to be a mandate that all the scenes will include this component of having the girl not express resistance. This likely is apart of the new guidelines for PSP scenes now being produced. It's no coincidence that all the new scenes we've seen thus far have had this component, indicating that the rest of the new scenes will too.

TheLecher
06-29-11, 11:57 PM
Doesnt seem will be getting her original scene with James Dean. But we're getting something that could be just as good
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The question of whether or not this scene will be as good as her unreleased PSP scene with James Deen doesn't even enter into it, as far as I'm concerned. The only question which arises for me is whether Brazzers is going to release the one she did with James Deen or not.

I have to say that it isn't looking good, to my way of thinking. I mean, why would they shoot Bridgette in a new PSP when they have one which is still waiting to be released, and why would they rush it through post-production, unless they're releasing this instead of the one they suspended, as a way of trying to buy us off?

If that's what they're trying to do, then it's totally unacceptable to me. They have their disclaimer. They have their heavy handed edits. Those things should be enough. (The heavy handed edits are actually too much. The disclaimer alone should be enough.) They should be able to release any scene that they're holding. They released the Ashli Orion and Phoenix Marie scenes, and they should be able to release the others, as well.

If they don't release the suspended Bridgette B PSP scene, then are they also going to refuse to release the suspended Veronica Avluv PSP scene? What about the Britney Amber scene? As I said over in Bridgette B's thread, I'm not okay with them shit-canning good scenes because some fuckwits got their undies in a bunch.

I suppose that I may be jumping the gun here. I suppose that this scene with Mick Blue could be a BBLIB scene, and it isn't going to be replacing Bridgette's suspended PSP scene. After all, BBLIB scenes can be on the rough side at times. But given the preview pics and the title (You Asked Whore It), I'm thinking that this must be a PSP scene.

If it is indeed a PSP scene, and if they're releasing it instead of the one with James Deen, if they're pissing on us again and trying to tell us that it's raining, then I'm not too happy about it.

fireknight
06-30-11, 02:01 AM
I hope that we are indeed jumping the gun in possibly assuming the worst. By the way, I thought "You Asked Whore It" was the title of the scene she did with James Deen, not the one with Mick Blue.

Brazzers can release all the PSP scenes that they're holding, without the heavy-handed edits. The only problem is whether or not they actually choose to release them. I honestly don't understand why they wouldn't. What's the big deal? Just release them already!

If they indeed refuse to release the Bridgette B. and James Deen scene, then there wouldn't be any reason why they wouldn't just refuse to release the others. Brazzers has already released most of the PSP scenes that were suspended, which I appreciate, despite the unnecessary butchered editing in some of those scenes. I don't see why they just don't go ahead and release them all. What would be the point of not releasing them all when they've already released most of the others?

I'll try to give Brazzers the benefit of the doubt (again), and wait to see what happens. Hopefully, it will turn out that Brazzers isn't trying to piss on us all over again by scrapping the remaining unreleased scenes. After all, they have released the Dimaond Foxxx scene and most of the other suspended scenes. So perhaps not all hope is lost for PSP.

fireknight
06-30-11, 07:45 PM
I'm seriously wondering if the above poster is of legal age for this forum.

TheLecher
06-30-11, 08:29 PM
I think every psp should have anal a2m deepthroat dp and fisting only in it. And rough pussy fuck dont count because its still a boring pussy fuck.
Also I dont know why these scenes have a storyline these bitches should get fucked and abused very hard only. The best way is, just sitting on the couch saying her name and than fuck her straight forward until the end of the video

Every girl who is a pornstar should do these stuff. Because its their fucking job where they get money for it. And if they dont like it than they should quit their job and looking for another one they can handle.


I disagree with everything you said in that post.

No, pussy fucking isn't boring. No, not every scene has to have anal, or DP, or fisting, or even deepthroat. Not as far as I'm concerned.

As for them dispensing with storylines and going gonzo on PSP, that's one of the sites on which I would never wish to see a gonzo scene. Storylines are as integral to the fantasy of PSP as they are to RWS. I would have no interest at all in any PSP scene which lacked a storyline.

Most of all, though, I disagree with your idea that every girl in porn should either do PSP or quit the industry. If a girl has no interest in doing a PSP scene, then she shouldn't do it. Even if we disregard the valid consideration of whether or not the performers enjoy their work, there's still the matter of what sort of performance they turn in, and a girl who has no interest in doing PSP is much more likely to turn in a weak performance than a girl who's interested.

fireknight
06-30-11, 08:42 PM
I agree 100% with everything Lecher just now wrote above.

As for girls being interested in doing PSP, there doesn't appear to be any problem getting the hottest girls in porn to perform for the site. Many of the hottest girls in porn who I would like to see have already performed on the site. I seriously doubt that there are many girls who would refuse to do it. I'm sure mostly all of them would like to it.

Thus, the problem again is not in the ability to find talent for the site. There is no difficulty there at all. The problem is simply trying to get the message across to Brazzers to stick with the formula that made PSP a good site to begin with, and stopping them from watering it down into a boring, mediocre, and completely uninteresting site.

protean555
07-01-11, 09:38 AM
Whether or not you like the psp site, the problem is giving in to focus groups. It's a lot like paying off blackmailers. When they see they can pressure you into doing one thing they are sure to try more. They usually don't stop until you stop giving in to their demands.

protean555
07-01-11, 10:02 AM
You do realize that many of these performers have sex when they don't want to or feel like it because its a job. Injecting the idea of traditional forced sex definitions into this genre doesn't work. You end up asking questions like, is prostitution paid rape? It becomes a much bigger question. If you are uncomfortable with the possible answers, and I don't mean to be mean, you probably should not watch or support porn.

JasonKayne
07-03-11, 07:37 PM
You do realize that many of these performers have sex when they don't want to or feel like it because its a job. Injecting the idea of traditional forced sex definitions into this genre doesn't work. You end up asking questions like, is prostitution paid rape? It becomes a much bigger question. If you are uncomfortable with the possible answers, and I don't mean to be mean, you probably should not watch or support porn.

Reading this I couldn't help but think. . . I really miss smoking pot. Chill out, question the cosmos and ponder issues like; At what point does CPR become necrophilia?
Paid rape? On those days when you're not crazy about your job does it then become paid slavery? The only thing we can ever learn for certain from this type of argument is that there is no nit too small to pick.

I do agree that "traditional forced sex" can be dangerous ground given the fact that it is traditionally accompanied by horrific levels of violence. The slapping and rough treatment that ZZ uses in their scenes doesn't even approach that. It does, however, pander to the illusion that the girl is being "physically" forced to fuck.

Maybe thats where the wheels came off. These silly-ass disclaimers, the heavy handed editing and now the insistence (at least in one recent scene) in having the girl say repeatedly that she really was liking her "punishment" leads me to believe it's something along those lines. Maybe instead of focus groups and lawyers and disclaimers all they really need is better writers.

JasonKayne
07-03-11, 07:46 PM
I think

No, actually, you don't.

fireknight
07-04-11, 03:46 AM
Maybe instead of focus groups and lawyers and disclaimers all they really need is better writers.
The writers weren't the problem before Brazzers caused all this foolish drama. The writers can only write what their Brazzers bosses allow them to write. Likewise, if the powers-that-be at Brazzers tell the directors no to shoot anymore edgy hardcore scenes, or tell the female performers that they can no longer act resistant, or tell the male performers that they can no longer express dominance, etc., then that's what's going to happen.

As I said before, the problem doesn't appear to be the writers, the directors, the performers, or anyone else making the scenes. If that were the case, we would have been seeing these problems much more frequently in the scenes produced prior to the interruption. The excessive censorship and watering-down of the scenes that we're seeing now are obviously the result of Brazzers management commanding that those elements be removed from future scenes in order to appease the dumbass complainers who can't distinguish reality from fiction.

It doesn't matter if Brazzers has the best porn writers in the world working in its writers room. If they are ordered that they can only write bland weak scenes without a hint of roughness or punishment, then that's unfortunately all we will get.

protean555
07-04-11, 07:42 AM
Actually JasonKayne that was kinda my point. You put it much better than I did though so kudo's to you.

protean555
07-04-11, 07:47 AM
I mean you want to see something really disturbing, watch law and order svu. Then think, this is what our kids see when they come home.
There is nothing here that you can't find in a ten times more offensive manner on your television. So if you want to crusade start there.
Let the rest of the responsible adults have our fantasies.

TheLecher
07-04-11, 03:17 PM
You do realize that many of these performers have sex when they don't want to or feel like it because its a job.


While it's true that some performers will do things for money which they wouldn't do for their own private enjoyment in their personal lives, and while it's true that performers are often called upon to have sex with people who they're just meeting for the first time on set and who they might not find attractive, none of that in any way invalidates my point that a girl shouldn't shoot for PSP unless she has some interest in doing so.

Firstly, getting slapped around in a PSP scene isn't exactly the same as a girl dressing up in a schoolgirl or teenybopper outfit and fucking a guy who's twice her age when she has no personal inclination to do so. When it comes to the immature, the illogical, and those with an agenda to be served, there isn't going to be any forestalling the allegations of abuse, etc., but that's no reason to hand them ammunition and offer to load their guns for them.

Secondly, while it may be a fact that performers sometimes have sex when they don't feel like it with people who they aren't particularly keen on because it's their job, it's just as much a fact that a performer's likes and dislikes influence what they will and won't do on camera and influence the quality of their work. There are some girls in the industry who don't do anal scenes because they're waiting until they feel it will best serve their careers, but there are other girls in the industry who don't do anal scenes because they don't like anal sex, or because they want to keep anal in their private lives. Performer's have No Lists, because they don't want to work with certain people. Some sites have difficulties in booking fresh faces to shoot, because they serve a fetish which doesn't appeal to the majority of the girls working in the industry, and many girls are guided by their personal preferences when they accept or decline a booking. And a girl who doesn't enjoy herself while working for a certain director or company will sometimes choose not to work for that director or company again. Barring neurosis, everyone wants to enjoy sex, and that applies to porn stars, too.

And while it's true that real professionals can deliver good performances even when they aren't "feeling it," I stand by my point that the performers being into the scene and each other makes for a much better scene.



I mean you want to see something really disturbing, watch law and order svu. Then think, this is what our kids see when they come home.
There is nothing here that you can't find in a ten times more offensive manner on your television. So if you want to crusade start there.
Let the rest of the responsible adults have our fantasies.


You hit the bulls-eye with that one - very well put and completely on target. Now if the policy makers would only pay attention...

TheLecher
07-04-11, 03:19 PM
The writers weren't the problem before Brazzers caused all this foolish drama.


Agreed. The problem isn't with the writers, it's with the policy being implemented.

protean555
07-04-11, 04:57 PM
Lecher, Honestly you are preaching to the choir. I don't disagree with anything you said. My original post was in response to one I read several pages ago. I thought it would insert the post, but instead it tacked it at the end of the line. Next time I will know to include the quote from the original poster so it is taken in context.

fireknight
07-04-11, 05:20 PM
As many of us know already, Brazzers has ignored us all once again. For months, we have been asking about the Bridgette B. scene with James Deen, awaiting its release. Brazzers knew full well that it was a highly-anticipated scene. The easy and reasonable thing to do would have been to simply release the scene. Obviously, it was too easy and reasonable for Brazzers. Instead of doing the easy thing by giving the members what we want by releasing the scene, they actually went through the trouble of producing a whole new scene instead just so they wouldn't have to release the one that we were waiting for. Apparently, this new scene is supposed to be some weak, unwanted consolation prize to make up for the terrible decision to deny us the opportunity to see the scene that we actually wanted to see. I would say that I'm disappointed in Brazzers. But Brazzers has disappointed so many times in the last few months that it just feels normal now.

It was one thing when they deleted scenes that were already on the site. I was angry about it. But I excused it by saying that at least they're only scenes that we've already seen and downloaded. So it's OK. I was angry when they stopped updating PSP for three months without any apology or explanation to the members. But then they said that the site would return and promised us an "influx" of updates. So I gave Brazzers the benefit of the doubt again. I was angry when the site returned and saw that the new scenes had been destroyed by heavy editing and excessive censorship. But again, I excused it by looking on the bright side, which was that we were getting to see the scenes at all. But now, this is just outright censorship and blatant disregard for the members. They are now discarding good scenes that haven't been released by replacing them with subpar ones in a pitiful attempt to satisfy us. There is no more bright side. I'm tired of giving Brazzers the benefit of the doubt. I'm tired of rationalizing their actions that make absolutely no sense at all.

I would definitely like to see the original PSP scene that Bridgette did with James. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like that will happen. I'm at the point now where the repeated disappointments have just made me more and more apathetic. I don't even care anymore. Let Brazzers ruin the site as much as they want. The stupidity of it all has just become too much for me at this point. They can fuck it up as much as they want. I've decided not to watch it anymore. Somebody let me know if/when Brazzers decides to let the site go back to being good again.

RedDevils87
07-04-11, 05:34 PM
I don't think a subpar Bridgette B scene exists..especially a Bridgette B ANAL scene...

That said, I agree with your general point. I just think I'll enjoy this scene anyway. But I'm still angry we can't see the other one. We should be seeing both.

sithlorddallas
07-04-11, 05:51 PM
All this is starting to sound like a broken record....sort of...They know what we want..but untill they release all the scenes we want, just gotta deal with what they put out....do i want unedited PSP scenes..YES..but it looks like we are gonna have to live with these "sissified" scenes

affengott
07-05-11, 02:24 AM
i m a new member and miss the deleted scenes too, because i heared they were great and really rough.
can someone message me who downloaded them and is able to send me? that would be great.

JasonKayne
07-05-11, 03:26 PM
The writers weren't the problem before Brazzers caused all this foolish drama. The writers can only write what their Brazzers bosses allow them to write. Likewise, if the powers-that-be at Brazzers tell the directors no to shoot anymore edgy hardcore scenes, or tell the female performers that they can no longer act resistant, or tell the male performers that they can no longer express dominance, etc., then that's what's going to happen.

I think you missed my point. There are ways to do that sans choking and slapping.

JasonKayne
07-05-11, 03:37 PM
All this is starting to sound like a broken record....sort of.

Key word being "broken." I think we can all agree on that point. But what's broken? A mystery, no? No doubt the focus group was told what to focus on, but ZZ hasn't offered the first clue to the people who are actually paying their fucking bills. . . subscribers.
OK, fine. I don't have to know whats wrong, all I have to know is ZZ is no longer a decent value. So I'll vote with my pocketbook. ZZ isn't the only provider out there, and their claim to be "the best" is now unintentionally funny.

sithlorddallas
07-05-11, 07:50 PM
Belive me man..me of all people wanna see Veronica's PSP..and want Dylan's PSP brought back..hell she's gone to Bluebird so she may never be on ZZ again....This whole PSP mess is just simple.. FUCKED UP

fireknight
07-05-11, 07:54 PM
I think you missed my point. There are ways to do that sans choking and slapping.
Brazzers didn't need to remove the punishment/resistance angle from PSP so it could keep the rough sex acts, neither does it need to remove rough sex acts so it can keep the punishment aspect. It can have both, just as it did before. Brazzers has already ruined the site enough. They don't need any further suggestions on how to ruin it anymore, if that's even possible.

ZZ isn't the only provider out there, and their claim to be "the best" is now unintentionally funny.
The claim that Brazzers is "the best" used to be true. It's not anymore. Now it's average at best. I understand that Brazzers was taken over by new ownership not long ago. Apparently, whoever the new owners are seem intent to destroy what was once a good porn network. They have forgotten that they're in the business of producing and selling porn, not telenovellas.

DontLaugh
07-05-11, 08:03 PM
It's on us to make them actually do this shit though... us settling for them watering shit down and ignoring us completely is the problem. If we actually spoke up, started negatively rating scenes, bombarding them... they'd either change or be forced to not have anyone pay their fucking bills anymore.

It's amazing to me how prevalent the story of Icarus and/or Phaeton is to this day. These assholes wanna try to take some ambitious change to please whoever the fuck they sat down in this focus group... and all they're doing is forcing themselves into danger. Hubris is a sign of stupidity! FUCK YOU, BRAZZERS!

RedRaider12
07-05-11, 08:12 PM
I kinda like the new scenes. Guess that makes me a pussy.

fireknight
07-05-11, 08:44 PM
I kinda like the new scenes. Guess that makes me a pussy.
No. Everyone has his own tastes and opinions. The problem is that just as you like the new scenes, many of us liked the old scenes on the way PSP used to be. I don't see why we can't have both. But Brazzers did not consult any of us before deciding to alter the content of the site that many of us enjoyed. The way they did was just fucked-up.

It's also not simply a matter of Old PSP vs. New PSP. The whole issue is indicative of an overall complete lack of value for its members. To interrupt a popular site with no sufficient explanantion and a long-delayed apology was bad enough. But now, they're discarding whole scenes with the apparent plan to not release them. What was the point of producing them in the first place? This is just ridiculous.

When the site returned, we thought these problems had ended and that everything might go back to being normal. I said back then that the site wouldn't be worth watching when it came back. I had hoped to be proven wrong. Unfortunately, I wasn't.

fireknight
07-05-11, 09:21 PM
It's on us to make them actually do this shit though... us settling for them watering shit down and ignoring us completely is the problem. If we actually spoke up, started negatively rating scenes, bombarding them... they'd either change or be forced to not have anyone pay their fucking bills anymore.
This is the strategy that was used by people who didn't like PSP to get Brazzers to ruin it. Of course, since they don't like the site anyway, it doesn't matter to them that the site has gone to shit. Those of us who liked it are the ones getting screwed. I agree with you that we need to start using the same strategies that they use.

But for us, it probably won't work. The more sensible the complaining members are, the less likely it is that Brazzers will actually listen to the complaint. I notice that Brazzers usually only listens to members who complain about stupid shit like interracial, or new male talent, or that a guy touched a flag with his dick, etc. If you make a logical complaint to try to stop Brazzers from destroying your favorite site, then they'll just basically tell you to fuck off.

It's amazing to me how prevalent the story of Icarus and/or Phaeton is to this day. These assholes wanna try to take some ambitious change to please whoever the fuck they sat down in this focus group... and all they're doing is forcing themselves into danger. Hubris is a sign of stupidity! FUCK YOU, BRAZZERS!
I couldn't agree more. What Brazzers is doing now is cowardly, not ambitious.

traduz
07-05-11, 11:14 PM
they dont care about what we want.

JasonKayne
07-06-11, 12:02 AM
they dont care about what we want.
Work

tgghpg1
07-06-11, 06:25 AM
Sorry to go slightly off-topic but i felt this was the discussion area to enter.

I admit as someone who's usually very happy with the ZZ product, it's becoming tough to make any sort of excuses anymore. The recent disappearance of anybody in the know from this now infected forum and the damage done to PSP are just two factors, but there are others.

For those fans of HAM in it's form as a lesbian version of PSP, this latest offering was definitely not up to par. Indeed the last 6 weeks or so has seen primarily soft seduction based updates, with only the Rachel Starr scene that i can recall holding any interest for me. Now they are having problems with BTAS scenes as well, it definitely seems like the ship is beginning to sink.

It's difficult to say, because there are still plenty of aspects that make ZZ's site top notch. For me they clearly have some of the best directors in Brando, Vic and Huggy. They can also still produce some fantastic scenes, the likes of the recent Asa Akira gangbang, or the last Phoenix Marie BTAS update. Until recently the direct interaction from Hogan on the forums was also a major plus point, especially as he seemed to be working in our favour to get girls we requested.

But with the watering down of PSP and HAM, and what i personally feel is something of a drop in quality from a number of other sites, including what i regard as rather mundane scene scenarios, these top scenes are becoming a lot less frequent. If it continues like this, it seems to me the only thing i can do as an individual consumer is vote with my wallet. And that isn't me being pissed off and saying ZZ had better do what i say or i'm leaving sort of thing, it's simply that ZZ isn't consistently producing the same level of quality that's made them the number 1 pornsite for the last few years.

RedDevils87
07-06-11, 07:16 AM
^ Certain things such as the PSP situation and the lack of contact from staff are very annoying, but I still think that, for now, there are enough quality updates to keep me interested. For example this week I was/am looking forward to the Mason Moore DP, the Bridgette B PSP and the Holly/Francesca BWB scenes a lot. As long as there are at least, say, 3 scenes a week I REALLY want to download, I am happy to stay, but they are not doing themselves any favours.

bluehornbuop1
07-06-11, 01:55 PM
i m a new member and miss the deleted scenes too, because i heared they were great and really rough.
can someone message me who downloaded them and is able to send me? that would be great.

did you ever get those scenes. if so could you send them to me.

bluehornbuop1
07-06-11, 01:56 PM
missed this zz debacle. if anyone has the scenes could you pm me.

tgghpg1
07-06-11, 03:44 PM
^ Certain things such as the PSP situation and the lack of contact from staff are very annoying, but I still think that, for now, there are enough quality updates to keep me interested. For example this week I was/am looking forward to the Mason Moore DP, the Bridgette B PSP and the Holly/Francesca BWB scenes a lot. As long as there are at least, say, 3 scenes a week I REALLY want to download, I am happy to stay, but they are not doing themselves any favours.

Yeh i'm still somewhat on the fence. As i said, they can still produce some fantastic updates, and today for instance i have downloaded all 3 updates because they look good. I guess i just remember not too long ago when there would be 7 or 8 scenes that i'd definitely download, and maybe another 2-3 i would check out.

Maybe it's just me and my tastes changing. But i'm just concerned about all these random disappearances of scenes, the seeming increase in gonzo or near gonzo storylines, the watering down of PSP and HAM, and most importantly the lack of any real contact from anyone on the forums.

Hopefully this silence is a result of the questions Tank was asking a while ago, and that this time is being used to shake things up a bit, and that Brazzers will be back bigger and better in a very short time.

fireknight
07-06-11, 04:42 PM
I guess i just remember not too long ago when there would be 7 or 8 scenes that i'd definitely download, and maybe another 2-3 i would check out.
I remember those days too. That's why I joined in the first place. Now, there are some weeks when Brazzers doesn't release a single scene that I find interesting. The recent downward change of the site, and whole network, is just puzzling to me.

Hopefully this silence is a result of the questions Tank was asking a while ago, and that this time is being used to shake things up a bit, and that Brazzers will be back bigger and better in a very short time.
You seem very optimistic.

tgghpg1
07-06-11, 05:43 PM
You seem very optimistic.

It's more of a desperate optimism, as i genuinely can't fathom any other reason why everyone has suddenly deciding to stop talking to us, especially given how much that pissed people off with the (still ongoing) PSP debacle. But like i said above, i'm concerned enough to question my renewal when september arrives, something i wouldn't have questioned maybe 3-6 months ago. If things don't improve next couple of months, then i may well decide not to.

fireknight
07-06-11, 08:38 PM
It's more of a desperate optimism, as i genuinely can't fathom any other reason why everyone has suddenly deciding to stop talking to us, especially given how much that pissed people off with the (still ongoing) PSP debacle.
That might be exactly the reason that no one in the know at Brazzers is talking to us. They know we're pissed off. But rather than address the problem and fix it, they'd rather ignore us.

One thing I've noticed about people is that they love talking to you when they're on their game, everything is going well, and everyone is telling them that they're doing a good job. But as soon as things go downhill, and we start asking questions about why things aren't going the way they're supposed to be anymore, then that's when everybody disappears instead of actually having to answer questions. Maybe they figure that if they ignore us long enough, then we'll just shut up and forget about it, or either leave. Maybe Brazzers will soon gets its wish when it comes to the latter option.

JasonKayne
07-06-11, 09:54 PM
Maybe they figure that if they ignore us long enough, then we'll just shut up and forget about it, or either leave. Maybe Brazzers will soon gets its wish when it comes to the latter option.

Sure seems that way. You know that after Tank came on here and gave his spiel I was the one lobbying to give them a benefit of the doubt. But then it turned out that everything he said was 180 off the truth. He had to know that.
That's bad business. Fool me once. . .

TheLecher
07-07-11, 01:06 AM
I admit as someone who's usually very happy with the ZZ product, it's becoming tough to make any sort of excuses anymore. The recent disappearance of anybody in the know from this now infected forum and the damage done to PSP are just two factors, but there are others.

For those fans of HAM in it's form as a lesbian version of PSP, this latest offering was definitely not up to par. Indeed the last 6 weeks or so has seen primarily soft seduction based updates, with only the Rachel Starr scene that i can recall holding any interest for me. Now they are having problems with BTAS scenes as well, it definitely seems like the ship is beginning to sink.


Yeah, Brazzers is making it pretty tough for those of us who would like to defend them to do so. As you say, there are many problems right now, not just one or two. We have the PSP situation, which is still very much up in the air, as far as I'm concerned. There's the decline we've been seeing in HAM, which may or may not be connected with the PSP fiasco. (I'm inclined to think that it is.) There are the technical problems with the forum which have gone largely uncorrected since the hack, and, much more problematic, the apparent withdrawal of the Brazzers reps. And then there's the problem, which has been persistent for months, of the Brazzers reps who were appointed to participate in the forum not doing their jobs.

As for HAM, though, it may be looking up again. The updates for both the 12th and the 19th are looking good from here. We won't know for sure until the scenes are actually released of course. That's if they're released, instead of vanishing into the æther, like last week's HAM update and this week's BTAS.

And that highlights another problem. It's become a regular occurrence for scenes to simply disappear. They've failed to post advertised updates two weeks running now. Will we ever see them? We were told that we would be getting last week's HAM scene this week, in addition to this week's scene, and then it didn't happen. Will the scene just go away and never be heard of again? And which scene will fail to post next week?



It's difficult to say, because there are still plenty of aspects that make ZZ's site top notch. For me they clearly have some of the best directors in Brando, Vic and Huggy. They can also still produce some fantastic scenes, the likes of the recent Asa Akira gangbang, or the last Phoenix Marie BTAS update. Until recently the direct interaction from Hogan on the forums was also a major plus point, especially as he seemed to be working in our favour to get girls we requested.


I agree with you on this, too. I really don't want to write Brazzers off. I keep talking myself into giving them a little more time and one more chance. I still think that they produce the best porn for online release. They beat every other major network (except for Kink, which isn't really comparable, in my opinion) six ways to Sunday. They have the best directors, the best writers (although there has been a marked decline in both the number and the quality of scenarios in recent months), the best production values, and the best editors. Basically, they're the best in every measurable area of quality.

I honestly have tried to be patient and to show Brazzers some loyalty, but they've done fuck-all to justify that sufferance. Every time I talk myself into giving them the benefit of the doubt, they make me regret it. I'm beyond fed up with them trying to string us along with empty promises and flimsy excuses. I'm even more fed up with stony silence. They're going downhill, and not slowly, either. They may still be better than everyone else in the market, but they can't afford to lose many more points if they hope to stay on top.

Yes, Hogan did a lot to boost Brazzers' stock on the forum, and I hope that he's adequately recognized and rewarded by Brazzers for his good work. Bones was doing good work on the forum for a while, too. But Bones dropped the ball some time ago, and now Hogan seems to have fallen off the wagon, as well.



Hopefully this silence is a result of the questions Tank was asking a while ago, and that this time is being used to shake things up a bit, and that Brazzers will be back bigger and better in a very short time.


As I said over in the "Do you like the new forum?" thread on the General Discussion board, I've been wondering if this might not be the case. I don't have any information from which to draw a conclusion, but I do wonder if perhaps Tank didn't order another information blackout while he reviews the feedback he got in his recent thread.

However, even if that were the case, even if they're working on plans for improvements right now, something should still have been said. Just pulling all of the company reps off of the forum without a word of warning is only going to foster more annoyance and increase the feelings of abandonment. If something like that is going on, there should have at least been an announcement along the lines of "The Brazzers reps are going to absent for a while. Don't worry, we're working to make things better, and we'll be back ASAP. Please be patient." And it wouldn't hurt to have at least one of the reps still putting in the occasional appearance to take care of pressing matters.

fireknight
07-07-11, 02:19 AM
I still think that they produce the best porn for online release. They beat every other major network (except for Kink, which isn't really comparable, in my opinion) six ways to Sunday.
I disagree. Maybe a year or so ago, I would have agreed with you. But now, that is definitely no longer the case. BangBros, RealityKings, and PornPros are showing to be better sites now compared to what Brazzers has become.

They have the best directors, the best writers (although there has been a marked decline in both the number and the quality of scenarios in recent months), the best production values, and the best editors. Basically, they're the best in every measurable area of quality.
I agree. But as I stated before, none of that matters if policies are in place which impede the expression of those talents. Having the best people in your employ doesn't mean squat if you keep putting rules in place that restrict them from being able to showcase the quality of their abilities. For example, Wes Craven may be one of the best horror movie directors in Hollywood. But if he's filming for a production company that prohibits him from showing blood, murder, death, or violence on-screen, then he's going to have some real difficulty trying to make a decent horror movie, regardless of how good he is otherwise.

They may still be better than everyone else in the market, but they can't afford to lose many more points if they hope to stay on top.
Again, I don't think Brazzers is necessarily better than everyone else in the market anymore. Now, I simply look at Brazzers as being like the Wal-Mart of porn: People go there not because they really like the product, but because there's nowhere else to go. It's not that Brazzers is the best. It just lacks sufficient competition. If another porn company were to come along with the exact same business model that Brazzers had a couple of years ago, then it would give Brazzers a serious run for its money. But because we're in an economic climate in which porn isn't as lucrative as it once was, Brazzers is able to take advantage of the lack of competition by doing whatever the fuck it wants, completely secure in its monopolistic position. As long the people working for Brazzers are getting their money, why the fuck should they care about what any of us want?

DontLaugh
07-07-11, 04:04 AM
GOD BLESS THAT BEAUTIFUL BITCH BRIDGETTE B FOR TALKING SHIT SUBLIMINALLY IN HER POST-SCENE INTERVIEW!

"I'm known for doing rougher... I do a lot rougher at home!"

LISTEN TO HER, BRAZZERS! FUCK!!!!!

affengott
07-07-11, 05:34 PM
yes, this is a fuckin joke. i bought an account only because of psp and now it becomes bog-standard. talk to james dean, he is the only one who knows how to set a rough scene up. i m really frustrated... there is so much potential and then it becomes just a run-of-the-mill which i saw a hundred times in a lot of other movies.

Shyla Stylez in : I Deserve What's Mine!
THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO SEE... in EVERY PSP SCENE.. really rough sex, with a lot of slaps, you can see she enjoys it, he enjoys it, we enjoy it, we get our fantasies and everybody will be happy.

tgghpg1
07-08-11, 06:52 AM
Just watched the new Bridgette B scene. To be honest it felt like i could have been watching a BBLIB or BGB update. If this is the level of punishment even with a warning message they may as well shut the site down.

DontLaugh
07-08-11, 02:04 PM
^I believe they're counting on us saying that...

JasonKayne
07-08-11, 03:10 PM
^I believe they're counting on us saying that...

I'd never say that, but I will say goodbye. I'll keep checking in the meantime on the off chance that they produce something worth downloading (three scenes in the last 5-6 weeks) but after that they don't have to worry about me complaining. . . or sending them $$.

TheLecher
07-08-11, 05:03 PM
And a little tip for you. If you have some restrictions by law dont to shoot this or this and thats the reason why you cut the best part everytime out of a scene. You just need a server outside usa where these restricitions by law dont exist. This shouldnt be a real problem because i still dont know why you delete some scenes of psp and dont bring back.


The problem isn't one of the content being prohibited by law. There are no laws in the US which would prevent them from shooting PSP scenes in the way that they used to shoot them. If there were, they wouldn't have shot them that way to begin with.

The available evidence suggests that Brazzers has been worried about credit card companies refusing to process their charges because of "extreme content." And that is a valid concern. Brazzers apparently decided on the disclaimer at the beginning of the scene and the exit interview after the scene as a way of protecting themselves against that liability.

So far, so good. I don't have a problem with either the disclaimer or the exit interview. What I (and most of us who liked PSP) have a problem with is PSP being watered down and censored, either preemptively or in post-production, in order to placate a demographic which the site wasn't marketed to in the first place. But Tank assured us that the disclaimer and exit interview were the only changes which were going to be made. He assured us that the content would not undergo a qualitative shift. Obviously, that was a lie.

TheLegacy
07-08-11, 06:01 PM
ZZ is the new WCW, respective and pisses off their consumers. Is Visco calling the shots?

Kink also has interviews about their shots. However, Kink is way more hardcore than PSP. In my opinion PSP is no different than BBLIB. Why are there interviews? Personally I don't care about a pornstar's personal life. I just want a story and a good sex scene. The interview is a waste of time that could be used for fucking.

Seriously I've mention this before and for some dumbass reason some idiots on this forum got pissed. BBLIB is the same site has PSP. The formula is no different. Make a fake rape fantasy with anal sex. BBLIB never had to be closed for months. It was still updating while PSP was closed. Yet, for dumbass reasons members got pissed when I mention this fact.

fireknight
07-08-11, 07:24 PM
Kink also has interviews about their shots. However, Kink is way more hardcore than PSP.
PSP and Kink are not comparable. I always liked PSP, while I was never really a fan of Kink. Kink is also not really as extreme as people say it is. Kink just gives the illusion of being extreme because of all the props that it uses, e.g., chains, whips, ropes, etc. If they got rid of all the props, it would probably just be another standard porn site.

What I liked about PSP is that it was able to be an edgier and darker site without all the props. There was always a good storyline involved, accompanied by good acting in the best updates. It didn't need ropes, whips, or chains to be a good hardcore site. All it needed was James Deen or Jordan Ash punishing some hot resistant girl for acting like a bitch, and it was a great scene.

I always liked PSP more than Kink, and never thought that PSP should try to imitate Kink. PSP would still be the better site if it went back to the way it used to be immediately before the interruption, which was right at the point when the site really started becoming even better than it was before.

TheLecher
07-08-11, 08:26 PM
I disagree. Maybe a year or so ago, I would have agreed with you. But now, that is definitely no longer the case. BangBros, RealityKings, and PornPros are showing to be better sites now compared to what Brazzers has become.


As you say, we disagree on this point. As far as I'm concerned, BB, NA, PornPros, and RK are all far behind Brazzers, even now. Brazzers will have to continue to deteriorate before they'll be equals, and even more before they'll surpass Brazzers.

I'm not saying it won't happen, though. Brazzers' current heading is decidedly downhill. I do hope that will turn around.



Kink is also not really as extreme as people say it is. Kink just gives the illusion of being extreme because of all the props that it uses, e.g., chains, whips, ropes, etc. If they got rid of all the props, it would probably just be another standard porn site.


I'm not sure how extreme you think people are saying Kink is, or which people are saying so, but Kink is a fetish network, while Brazzers, BB, NA, PornPros, and RK are vanilla networks. As a fetish network which deals in bondage, BDSM, and various other fetishes, they are most certainly more "extreme" than any of the vanilla networks I just named.

When you talk about removing the "props" that they use to give the "illusion" of being extreme, you're actually talking about removing the production elements which are a necessary part of the fetish being presented. That's sort of like making a comparison of MMA and boxing, but taking kicking and grappling out of the equation. You can't just take that stuff out of the equation, because it's an integral part of one of the subjects under consideration.

The chains and ropes aren't just props hanging on the wall in the background of the shot, they're used to bind the model. The canes, floggers, whips, and so-forth aren't just for show, either. They're used on the model.

As for all of that being an illusion, how is this an illusion?
http://picrandom.com/images/img0073520.jpg

And even if you did take the bondage and erotic torture out of the equation (no chains, ropes, whips, electrostimulation, water play, breath play, fire play, etc.), you would still have a network which regularly features enema play, fisting (Both vaginal and anal - and I mean full fisting, not this "We put in everything but the thumb" stuff.), an entire site dedicated to golden showers and piss drinking (I've never seen the appeal of that, so don't ask me why some people like it.), and other fetishes.

No matter how you slice it, Kink is a lot more "extreme" than any of the vanilla networks. That alone doesn't make them a better network, because there's more to porn than being extreme. Currently, I consider Kink to be the second best network in terms of content quality, though not in value for money, with Brazzers still being in first place.



What I liked about PSP is that it was able to be an edgier and darker site without all the props. There was always a good storyline involved, accompanied by good acting in the best updates. It didn't need ropes, whips, or chains to be a good hardcore site. All it needed was James Deen or Jordan Ash punishing some hot resistant girl for acting like a bitch, and it was a great scene.

I always liked PSP more than Kink, and never thought that PSP should try to imitate Kink. PSP would still be the better site if it went back to the way it used to be immediately before the interruption, which was right at the point when the site really started becoming even better than it was before.


Everything I said above notwithstanding, PSP used to be more "extreme" in one particular way than anything which was on offer from Kink. Whereas PSP didn't dabble in bondage and BDSM, or very seldom did so, and only in very light ways, they did go a lot further in their scenarios when it came to coercion. That's something which Kink will occasionally flirt with, but only in a dipping-one-toe-in-the-water kind of way. For that reason alone, to say nothing of the fact that the scenarios and production values are better, I always preferred PSP to anything on offer by Kink. But since they've fucked everything into a cocked hat, PSP is comparing more and more poorly to Kink when it comes to any sort of psychological punch in their scenes.

I've always liked a lot of what Kink offers (I like most of the content on six of their sites, and a good deal of the content on another two sites.), but I agree that, if PSP would just get back on track, it would be a better fit for my tastes.

fireknight
07-11-11, 02:49 AM
And even if you did take the bondage and erotic torture out of the equation (no chains, ropes, whips, electrostimulation, water play, breath play, fire play, etc.), you would still have a network which regularly features enema play, fisting (Both vaginal and anal - and I mean full fisting, not this "We put in everything but the thumb" stuff.), an entire site dedicated to golden showers and piss drinking (I've never seen the appeal of that, so don't ask me why some people like it.), and other fetishes.
Your fisting comment reminds me of something Angelina Valentine said on the last radio show. Like you said, she also said that performers are not allowed to include the thumb when fisting in porn. But they didn't say why that's the case. It's certainly not because full fisting is illegal. It isn't. I know that James Deen fisted Krissy Lynn in their recent scene for BWB. I don't remember how much of his fist he actually put in. I'd have to go back and rewatch the scene to actually see. But I was pleasantly surprised to see that Brazzers showed fisting in one of its scenes at all. From what I can remember, I don't ever recall Brazzers showing fisting in any of its scenes before that one. So that was a great sight to see for that scene.

As for pissing, Kink did have a site dedicated to that. But it's been defunct for quite some time now. That site hasn't updated in over a year. Although I was not at all a fan of Kink's pissing site, I actually do enjoy that fetish. But I only like it when its Male-on-Female pissing. I don't like it when it's the other way around, and that includes "squirting." I really liked sites like PissMops and YellowDiscipline, which are also now defunct. So I don't have to ask why people like it. I already know because I like seeing it myself.

Everything I said above notwithstanding, PSP used to be more "extreme" in one particular way than anything which was on offer from Kink. Whereas PSP didn't dabble in bondage and BDSM, or very seldom did so, and only in very light ways, they did go a lot further in their scenarios when it came to coercion.
That was the aspect of the PSP plots that was the most interesting to watch. This element connected perfectly to the title and theme of the PSP site. I completely agree with this statement.

tgghpg1
07-11-11, 06:17 AM
That was the aspect of the PSP plots that was the most interesting to watch. This element connected perfectly to the title and theme of the PSP site. I completely agree with this statement.

In case you don't read the thread, Veronica Avluv said this about PSP -

I think I know why that scene hasn't been released. They changed the PSP format recently, James Deen had even stopped shooting for PSP because he was tired of feeling like he was raping the girls, and I know we all think rape is a horrible thing. Now it's rough role play sex where the girl starts begging to be fucked and slapped and so on once the scene gets going. I certainly did ;D! The scene with Keiran and I, well, Keiran had asked me to start crying at first, which I can do on command as an actress (I have done some mainstream acting) and then get into it.... I think the crying part is what made them hold off... But I don't know for sure....
Xoxoxo
Veronica

fireknight
07-11-11, 08:11 AM
In case you don't read the thread, Veronica Avluv said this about PSP -

...The scene with Keiran and I, well, Keiran had asked me to start crying at first, which I can do on command as an actress (I have done some mainstream acting) and then get into it.... I think the crying part is what made them hold off... But I don't know for sure....
Xoxoxo
Veronica
Yes, because of course we all know that if a performer pretends to cry during the scene, then she must actually be crying for real. It couldn't possibly be that the performers are only acting, could it? It's nice to know that Brazzers has such a low esteem of the intelligence of its members. The people running Brazzers obviously think we're all a bunch of retards who don't deserve to be treated like adults.

DontLaugh
07-11-11, 01:35 PM
Wait, James Deen thought he was raping 'em!? What!? I thought James was considering leaving Brazzers so he could go elsewhere to do the hardcore shit when Brazzers said the PSP stuff wasn't going to fly anymore?

...this is bullshit.

fireknight
07-11-11, 11:39 PM
Wait, James Deen thought he was raping 'em!? What!? I thought James was considering leaving Brazzers so he could go elsewhere to do the hardcore shit when Brazzers said the PSP stuff wasn't going to fly anymore?

...this is bullshit.
Yes, it's apparently true. From James Deen's blog post dated July 8, 2011:

"Now you may remember a few months ago when I decided I was no longer working for a site called PornStarPunishment.com because I didn’t like what they were promoting. The site was basically me raping girls because they stepped on my shoes and all around just felt like I was “punishing” girls with rough sex. Well, I wrote a whole blog post about it that may or may not have had anything to do with them changing the format. Either way Brazzers.com completely changed the site and now it is more about rough sex being awesome and fun and less about punishment. I had a great time and am very excited for this pro rough sex format to continue."

Not only is this attitude very hypocritical of James considering other scenes he has done that are much more controversial than anything he's ever done on PSP, but I also fail to see why one actor's opinion should be cause for changing a whole site that many other members actually enjoyed. James is an employee for Brazzers. He is not a member. I don't remember ever seeing one single post of his on this forum, or him ever once coming here to correspond with the members. We, the members, are the ones who help to make it possible for James to be able to get a paycheck from Brazzers. Yet, Brazzers has decided to value the opinion of one of its employees over the people who make it possible to pay that employee's bills.

James is fully entitled to his opinion. If he decided that he was uncomfortable shooting PSP any longer, then he had every right to simply refuse to shoot for it anymore. Brazzers should simpy have replaced him with another male performer. There are undoubtedly many other male performers in the industry who would have loved to take his place shooting for PSP. I actually know of a few male performers who have come out and explicitly said that they would love to shoot for PSP, and who I think would actually be good for it. So if James didn't want to do it anymore, there are still many other guys who do. He could easily have been replaced by any of them. If Brazzers changed the PSP formula just so it could keep James Deen on the site, then that's insane. Nobody is irreplacable. It's better for Brazzers to lose one performer than to lose a whole throng of loyal members.

This whole thing is so ironic. One performer, who Brazzers pays, complains about PSP, causing Brazzers to alter the site. However, numerous members, who pay Brazzers, liked PSP, but Brazzers ignores us. Does anyone else find this whole thing backwards? It's like a corporation basing its business policies on the advice of a mail room employee while ignoring its shareholders. Unlike James Deen, we actually pay for this site. So our views should matter much more than his.

tgghpg1
07-12-11, 05:57 AM
I'll admit, i'm very surprised that this has come from James considering some of the scenes he's done. I'm also surprised that Brazzers has caved to a single employee if that's the case. But i'm mostly surprised that James Deen seems to think the site was 'promoting...me raping girls because they stepped on my shoes'. Are the members the only people who can tell fantasy from reality anymore? Everyone knows all this is promoting is sexual role-play between consenting adults in a safe environment. That's it, end of story.

JasonKayne
07-12-11, 11:02 AM
Yes, it's apparently true. From James Deen's blog post dated July 8, 2011:

"Now you may remember a few months ago when I decided I was no longer working for a site called PornStarPunishment.com because I didn’t like what they were promoting. The site was basically me raping girls because they stepped on my shoes and all around just felt like I was “punishing” girls with rough sex. Well, I wrote a whole blog post about it that may or may not have had anything to do with them changing the format. Either way Brazzers.com completely changed the site and now it is more about rough sex being awesome and fun and less about punishment. I had a great time and am very excited for this pro rough sex format to continue."


Well that is just completely fucking bizzare. Even though I like(d) PSP there were a very few scenes where I thought they were taking it a bit too far, and in every case it was Deen in the scene.

JasonKayne
07-12-11, 11:19 AM
I'll admit, i'm very surprised that this has come from James considering some of the scenes he's done. I'm also surprised that Brazzers has caved to a single employee if that's the case. But i'm mostly surprised that James Deen seems to think the site was 'promoting...me raping girls because they stepped on my shoes'. Are the members the only people who can tell fantasy from reality anymore? Everyone knows all this is promoting is sexual role-play between consenting adults in a safe environment. That's it, end of story.

That said, it's not surprising that he thinks it was all about him. I've looked at his blog, and this is a guy who clearly has an ego that rivals Paris Hilton

TheLecher
07-13-11, 12:36 AM
I also fail to see why one actor's opinion should be cause for changing a whole site that many other members actually enjoyed. James is an employee for Brazzers. He is not a member... We, the members, are the ones who help to make it possible for James to be able to get a paycheck from Brazzers. Yet, Brazzers has decided to value the opinion of one of its employees over the people who make it possible to pay that employee's bills.


I very much doubt that Brazzers made huge changes to the format of one of their most popular sites simply because of a blog posted by a male performer, regardless of how popular he might be. Perhaps his comments were a contributing factor (I don't know.), but I don't believe that someone from Brazzers read his blog or talked to him, and then, based on his opinions alone, pushed through the disastrous changes we've seen in PSP.

I'm not suggesting that Brazzers had good and sufficient cause for making the changes they've made. I think I've already made my position on that clear. There is no reason which Brazzers could offer for the way they've fucked things up which I would consider "good and sufficient," but inadequate as their reasons may be, I'm pretty sure that they're better than "James Deen didn't like it."



James is fully entitled to his opinion. If he decided that he was uncomfortable shooting PSP any longer, then he had every right to simply refuse to shoot for it anymore. Brazzers should simpy have replaced him with another male performer... If Brazzers changed the PSP formula just so it could keep James Deen on the site, then that's insane. Nobody is irreplacable. It's better for Brazzers to lose one performer than to lose a whole throng of loyal members.


I agree with all of points above. James Deen is entitled to his opinion. If he doesn't want to shoot for PSP anymore, then that's fine. He should stop shooting for that site. There are other male performers who Brazzers can bring in to take his place, and if they exercise the same selectiveness that they usually do when it comes to male talent, then it should work out just fine.

I also agree that, if Brazzers did change the format for PSP in the hope of keeping James Deen happy, then that's the height of stupidity. As I said above, I don't buy that theory at all, but if I'm wrong and that's actually what happened, then the Brazzers decision makers should be replaced with intelligent life forms.

And I agree that no one is irreplaceable (apart from Ariella Ferrera and Nikki Sexx), although some people are more irreplaceable than others. Personally, I think that Jordan Ash's retirement is a bigger blow for PSP than losing James Deen would be.



But i'm mostly surprised that James Deen seems to think the site was 'promoting...me raping girls because they stepped on my shoes'. Are the members the only people who can tell fantasy from reality anymore? Everyone knows all this is promoting is sexual role-play between consenting adults in a safe environment. That's it, end of story.


Unfortunately, not even all of the members can tell the difference. However, a porn star, of all people, ought to be able to make that distinction. Also, one ought to be able to expect someone who works in an industry which has to continually fight to stay free from censorship to understand the importance of one person's freedom of expression not being taken away by another person's hang-ups or close-mindedness.

And that's the real irony here, not that James Deen could turn in really hardcore PSP scenes while objecting to the premise of the scene (He's an actor, after all.), but that he has offered to judge someone else's fantasy and rejoices in what he presumably sees as his success in abolishing said fantasy. In other words, he has attempted to engage in a form of censorship, and he thinks that it's a good thing. That's the true irony. I wonder what his blog would read like if he were being censored. If the AHF and CalOSHA succeed in forcing him to wear a condom in every scene he does, will he write another blog saying how pleased he is about that, or is James Deen perhaps guilty of observing a double standard?

fireknight
07-13-11, 09:37 AM
Well that is just completely fucking bizzare. Even though I like(d) PSP there were a very few scenes where I thought they were taking it a bit too far, and in every case it was Deen in the scene.
I never had any problems with any of the harder-edged PSP scenes. As far as I'm concerned, that's exactly what the site is supposed to be about. The more harder-edged the scene was, the better it was, and the more realistically it tied into the theme of the site. So I liked the harder-edged scenes the most. It is true that those scenes did usually star James Deen. If his PSP scenes disturbed him that much, then somebody needs to give this guy an Oscar, because he's one hell of a convincing actor. This is like finding out out that Michael Bay really hates explosions.

I very much doubt that Brazzers made huge changes to the format of one of their most popular sites simply because of a blog posted by a male performer, regardless of how popular he might be. Perhaps his comments were a contributing factor (I don't know.), but I don't believe that someone from Brazzers read his blog or talked to him, and then, based on his opinions alone, pushed through the disastrous changes we've seen in PSP.
I'm convinced his statement was at least a contributing factor to the change of PSP. We all know that PSP was receiving negative feedback from a small minority of members. Although it doesn't take much to be too controversial for Brazzers, PSP was indeed the most controversial of all of the Brazzers sites. This controversy possibly made Brazzers somewhat apprehensive about the site to begin with. Despite these concerns, Brazzers may have been willing to allow the site to continue due to its heightened popularity among the members and its award recognition.

However, when one of its most popular male performers- the one who is most known for doing the roughest and most extreme scenes on the site- decided to publicly join the chorus of those who were criticizing PSP and advocating censorship of it, then I think that might have been the last straw that caused Brazzers to decide to address the controversy. Hence, postponing all updates of the site, deleting existing scenes (most of which starred James), and conducting focus groups pending the return of updates.

It wasn't as if this comment was made by some obscure guy in the industry rambling on about how about he hates rough porn. This is one of Brazzers' own most popular men saying this. Yes, the same guy who fucked a girl while pushing her head down into a garbage can was now expressing disapproval of those same acts, and refusing to work any longer for that site. It is unrealistic to think that his statement didn't catch the attention of someone at Brazzers who decided that, if James Deen, of all people, was making this statement, then Brazzers needed to do something. Brazzers could have responded in one of two ways:

(1) They could have accepted James' decision to no longer perform for PSP by replacing with a different actor, but keeping the same formula. By doing so, PSP would remain an edgy and highly popular site. But the controversy surrounding it would still have existed, possibly made even greater by James' statement on his blog.

Or-

(2) They could have agreed with James, or decided that the controversy was becoming too overwhelming for the site to continue as it was. This controversy would have, again, only been intensified by James' blog statement. In addition, they may have felt that James was too popular of a performer to risk losing from the site, especially in the absence of Jordan Ash and Scott Nails, who were the other go-to guys for PSP.

From the looks if it, Brazzers unfortunately decided to go with the #2 response.

There's also the timing of it. James wrote that he made his original comment against PSP "a few months ago." If it was a few months ago, then that was also exactly around the same time that these current problems with PSP first started. Giving the timing of his statement and the beginning of the problems with PSP, it all just looks like more than just a coincidence.

fireknight
07-13-11, 09:52 AM
However, a porn star, of all people, ought to be able to make that distinction. Also, one ought to be able to expect someone who works in an industry which has to continually fight to stay free from censorship to understand the importance of one person's freedom of expression not being taken away by another person's hang-ups or close-mindedness.

And that's the real irony here, not that James Deen could turn in really hardcore PSP scenes while objecting to the premise of the scene (He's an actor, after all.), but that he has offered to judge someone else's fantasy and rejoices in what he presumably sees as his success in abolishing said fantasy. In other words, he has attempted to engage in a form of censorship, and he thinks that it's a good thing. That's the true irony.
I agree completely.

TheLecher
07-15-11, 12:25 AM
I'm convinced his statement was at least a contributing factor to the change of PSP... when one of its most popular male performers- the one who is most known for doing the roughest and most extreme scenes on the site- decided to publicly join the chorus of those who were criticizing PSP and advocating censorship of it, then I think that might have been the last straw that caused Brazzers to decide to address the controversy. Hence, postponing all updates of the site, deleting existing scenes (most of which starred James), and conducting focus groups pending the return of updates.

It wasn't as if this comment was made by some obscure guy in the industry rambling on about how about he hates rough porn. This is one of Brazzers' own most popular men saying this. Yes, the same guy who fucked a girl while pushing her head down into a garbage can was now expressing disapproval of those same acts, and refusing to work any longer for that site. It is unrealistic to think that his statement didn't catch the attention of someone at Brazzers who decided that, if James Deen, of all people, was making this statement, then Brazzers needed to do something.


On the surface, that sounds plausible enough. But it doesn't really hold water. You see, the dates don't match.

James Deen's first public criticism of PSP that I know about was in his blog on the 9th of March, the day when he shot his PSP scene with Diamond Foxxx. By that time, the Chanel Preston/Karina O'Reilly scene and the Nikki Hunter scene had already been pulled. In fact, the Nikki Hunter scene had been gone for six days when James Deen published that blog, and the Chanel/Karina scene had been gone for even longer. Before that blog had come out, Brazzers had already pulled the Lexi Belle PSP scene prior to release and replaced it with the Sadie Swede scene. And by the time that James Deen's first printed criticism of PSP had been published, the controversy in this thread was already five pages deep.

Maybe someone at Brazzers pointed out James Deen's comments as the debate wore on, and maybe his remarks added fuel to the fire, but the fuck up was already well underway before he posted that blog. The heavy hand of censorship was already at work, and had been for a couple of weeks. The disastrous changes which we've seen take place on PSP were already in the works before he sounded off, and they would have happened whether or not he ever said anything about it.

DontLaugh
07-15-11, 01:35 AM
Whatever started it, there are only 2 reasonable solutions:

A) Brazzers returns to the old format, even keeping the disclaimer just to tickle fucknuts' fancies, and does what the majority of paying members (the ones who have spoken up, funny none of the PSP haters have come in praising God or Allah for the bastardization of PSP) have expressed in their interests.

or,

B) Brazzers keeps up with this bullshit schtick or removes PSP completely, at which point the majority of us walk out on Brazzers who have turned their back on us and challenged us to do so anyways, they're just asserting their control over our feeble minds, and take the money that keeps them running with us.


I'm inclined to believe we're headed for option B... at least I know I'll take my money. I don't enjoy the site anymore because there is nothing that stands out with Brazzers anymore other than the gimmick of the sites. Coworkers, students (lol, even that is going out of the window), milfs, teens... but it's all vanilla sex. The gimmick sex isn't even performed right other than the teens gasping over a cock the size of their forearm. When PSP was going strong, it made the other shit fun because the other shit was DIFFERENT. There's nothing that stands out, thus nothing outstanding anymore. I'm seriously not intrigued by anything Brazzers does anymore, and even if any of these new PSP scenes were decent (I'm sure you all would have pointed it out by now if they were), I'm too reluctant to even look at the aftermath of the train wreck because it's a complete disappointment.

TheLecher
07-15-11, 03:52 PM
We wanne see...


Who's "we"? I'm not sure who you're speaking for, beside yourself, but it sure as hell isn't me.

RedDevils87
07-15-11, 04:12 PM
me and my girlfriend = we

You're in the minority.

And you seem like the definition of "moron" by the way you express yourself.

RedDevils87
07-15-11, 04:55 PM
Overly aggressive for one, DEMANDING pornstars do things they might not want to do as if you "own" them for another.

fireknight
07-24-11, 08:35 PM
Does anybody else find it ironic that the scenes with the disclaimers and exit interviews are more softcore and lacking in punishment storylines than the scenes without them were? One would think that it would be other way around. It really causes me to wonder what the whole point is of the disclaimers and interviews. With the way PSP is now, it makes having them completely pointless. If PSP didn't need all that before when the site was actually about punishment, then it definitely doesn't need it now that it's not about punishment. The whole thing is just backwards.

It's also ironic that Brazzers has scrapped at least two good PSP scenes in favor of the shitty new scenes that they've been giving us. They're getting rid of good scenes, but keeping the bad ones. I'd much rather see the original Bridgette B. and Veronica Avluv scenes over the crappy new scenes that PSP has been releasing. These new scenes are the ones that should be scrapped because they're not even worth watching.

But I shouldn't hold my breath waiting for Brazzers to realize the senselessness of its actions. That's just Brazzers for you. It has to be the only porn site in the world that will either hack up, or throw away good scenes to give us boring ones that no one wants to see. Go figure.

fireknight
08-18-11, 11:47 PM
Since Mackenzie Pierce was performing on Brazzers Live 16 tonight and they were taking live phone calls during the show, I decided that it would be a good opportunity to call in and comment to her directly about her PSP scene that was released today. I told her it was a nice scene. But I also asked her why she didn't act more resistant for a PSP scene. She said that it wasn't her idea. That's what Brazzers wanted her to do.

This goes along with what we've been hearing from other girls as well. It's not the girls who have a problem with playing the resistant role. It's that Brazzers is still reluctant to let them do it. As I said, today's PSP scene with Mackenzie Pierce is OK. But like so many of the other PSP scenes that have been coming out, the punishment angle is more noticeably toned down. It also makes the interviews at the end all the more ridiculous and unnecessary.

TheBobster
08-19-11, 08:39 PM
I'm just going to throw it out there, PSP is pretty much dead to me now. I havent downloaded a single scene from there in 2 months

pie314
08-19-11, 10:17 PM
how does James Deen say PSP is too rough or degrading yet he does scenes for Kink which are way rougher and extreme than PSP???

tprospect1
08-19-11, 11:09 PM
how does James Deen say PSP is too rough or degrading yet he does scenes for Kink which are way rougher and extreme than PSP???
It seems that James had a problem with the PSP storylines not the sex itself. The girls on KINK (for the most part) are willing participants and want the rough sex and kinky stuff. Whether they're tied down, gangbanged, slapped, suspended, electrocuted or whatever. But the PSP storylines use to involve James ostensibly forcing himself on supposedly unwilling participants. Of course, it's all roleplay and a fantasy, but I'm assuming he was oppose to depicting rough sex as a form of rape.

Coasters226
08-20-11, 12:24 PM
I Kept saying they should rename the site: Pornstars Like it Rough so it would be obvious that the Pornstars wanted rough sex.

RedDevils87
08-20-11, 01:01 PM
To be honest I think Brazzers have always generally sucked at rough sex, even when people claimed PSP was good it usually wasn't, to me at least.

I like things like choking and slapping, but the whole grabbing the face and twisting the nose etc thing is just lame.

Song
08-20-11, 02:07 PM
its no matter anymore man. James leave PSP and now its a crap. for me they should stop shooting psp and give ppl something new.

TheLegacy
08-20-11, 02:13 PM
There are some things I dislike about the scenes. I'm not into the guys trying to pull open the eyes and twisting the girls' faces. That's not hot. It's awkward.

TheLecher
08-20-11, 07:26 PM
I told her it was a nice scene. But I also asked her why she didn't act more resistant for a PSP scene. She said that it wasn't her idea. That's what Brazzers wanted her to do.

This goes along with what we've been hearing from other girls as well. It's not the girls who have a problem with playing the resistant role. It's that Brazzers is still reluctant to let them do it.


I think that we're beginning to see a gradual shift away from the stupidity and anemia of the Care Bear friendly PSP scenes which we've been plagued with for the last few months, and back towards a decent standard for PSP scenes. At least, I hope that we're beginning to see that.



I Kept saying they should rename the site: Pornstars Like it Rough so it would be obvious that the Pornstars wanted rough sex.


But the point of PSP is that they don't want rough sex.



its no matter anymore man. James leave PSP and now its a crap. for me they should stop shooting psp and give ppl something new.


Unfortunately, Brazzers is still using James Deen in PSP scenes. I wish that they would stop. There are other male performers who can do the job just as well as he ever did, and much better than he will, now that he's come out publicly in opposition to PSP scenes being done the way that they used to be. Brazzers should just use James Deen on their other sites. PSP can only benefit from him no longer appearing in scenes on that site.

As for Brazzers canceling PSP and launching a new site, I'll say what I've been saying all along. I'm not interested in that "solution" (a solution which doesn't solve the problem). The only outcome which would be acceptable to me is for PSP to make a full comeback and resume posting updates which are actually good.

RedDevils87
08-20-11, 07:43 PM
But I still say MOST people like PSP for rough sex, not BECAUSE the girls don't want it. That's just a few weird people who like to see simulated rape.

So even though you wouldn't like it, plenty of people would be happy if they replaced it with a more normal rough sex site.

TheLecher
08-20-11, 07:52 PM
But I still say MOST people like PSP for rough sex, not BECAUSE the girls don't want it. That's just a few weird people who like to see simulated rape.


How many is most? Is it 51%, 75%, 99%? And on what are you basing this statement. Have you seen a poll on this subject which was taken by all Brazzers members? If it wasn't taken by all of them, what percentage of them responded?

And how many of the "weird" people are there? Are there ten people, twenty, one hundred, one thousand? And what do you mean when you call them weird, and on what authority do you presume to judge them?

And just so you know, we do have statistical information on this subject. Granted, it isn't very extensive, and certainly not definitive, but what information we have does not support your conclusion.



So even though you wouldn't like it, plenty of people would be happy if they replaced it with a more normal rough sex site.


Again, how many people are "plenty"? And tell me why rough sex done the way you like it should be regarded as more "normal" than rough sex done in a way which you don't like.

Song
08-20-11, 07:53 PM
I think that we're beginning to see a gradual shift away from the stupidity and anemia of the Care Bear friendly PSP scenes which we've been plagued with for the last few months, and back towards a decent standard for PSP scenes. At least, I hope that we're beginning to see that.



But the point of PSP is that they don't want rough sex.



Unfortunately, Brazzers is still using James Deen in PSP scenes. I wish that they would stop. There are other male performers who can do the job just as well as he ever did, and much better than he will, now that he's come out publicly in opposition to PSP scenes being done the way that they used to be. Brazzers should just use James Deen on their other sites. PSP can only benefit from him no longer appearing in scenes on that site.

As for Brazzers canceling PSP and launching a new site, I'll say what I've been saying all along. I'm not interested in that "solution" (a solution which doesn't solve the problem). The only outcome which would be acceptable to me is for PSP to make a full comeback and resume posting updates which are actually good.


are u sure about it?? i checking James's blog like few times per week. and i think there was nothing about shooting for PSP for like 3 months. also u probably noticed that ZZ started using other guys for PSP. shit i really like Mick Blue but for shake head he totally not work on PSP!

RedDevils87
08-20-11, 07:53 PM
Statistics!~

TheLecher
08-20-11, 07:56 PM
are u sure about it?? i checking James's blog like few times per week. and i think there was nothing about shooting for PSP for like 3 months. also u probably noticed that ZZ started using other guys for PSP. shit i really like Mick Blue but for shake head he totally not work on PSP!


James Deen shot a new PSP scene four days ago.

Again, I say that Brazzers should cut him loose on that site. PSP has enough trouble at the moment without being saddled with a male performer who has publicly denounced the site and wants to keep the scenes being done in a format which has proved unpopular.

Book him for any of the other sites, but his time on PSP should be considered over and done.

TheLecher
08-20-11, 08:02 PM
Statistics!~


Apparently, it's more than you have. You have unfounded conjecture and an unsupported opinion, and yet you persist in making statements as though your supposition was fact and as though your preferences define what is normal and healthy.

And just so you know, as flawed as much statistical data is, there's no way that you can talk about majorities and what is or isn't normal without getting into statistics. You've already implied statistics in your previous post about what "most" people would prefer, but you didn't offer any actual figures. I suppose that this might be because you don't actually have any.

In other words, your argument hinges on statistics, though you didn't offer any, but when I mention statistics, you deride them as a form of argument.

Are you a hypocrite, or do you just fail at logic?

RedDevils87
08-20-11, 08:10 PM
I'm making assumptions, sue me.

This is why people think you're a painful bore.

Song
08-20-11, 08:21 PM
James Deen shot a new PSP scene four days ago.

Again, I say that Brazzers should cut him loose on that site. PSP has enough trouble at the moment without being saddled with a male performer who has publicly denounced the site and wants to keep the scenes being done in a format which has proved unpopular.

Book him for any of the other sites, but his time on PSP should be considered over and done.

he had right about what he said man. i mean he said "lets do it like a pro or i fuck it". now this site look so weak and actually not need to be continue anymore. as i know he only said that there should not be that stupid rape intros

TheLecher
08-20-11, 08:23 PM
I'm making assumptions, sue me.


I don't want to sue you. I just want conversations to take place in a world where logic applies.

If you don't like having your unconsidered opinions disassembled through critical thinking, then maybe you should start giving considered opinions instead.



This is why people think you're a painful bore.


No. This is why you think I'm a painful bore. Once again, you take it upon yourself to speak for others. Let the others speak for themselves.

You don't like being called upon to think through your statements and defend your position. Personally, I would call that mental laziness. You may have another name for it. I think that's what you dislike about my posts, more than their length. Other people who dislike me may have entirely different reasons.

Jake_Storm
08-20-11, 08:26 PM
According to Dave, he said this about shooting his first PSP scene, which you can find here: http://www.brazzersforum.com/showthread.php?17074-What-do-you-guys-think-about-a-ZZ-girls-1st-time-in-porn-site&p=382052#post382052


My 1st PSP has one word to describe it, "Disturbing". Everything I tweeted I was going to do, I did.

Shooting my 2nd one tomorrow. I took the liberty of rewriting the scrip a bit. lol. My prop list is as follows: dog kennel, dog shock collar, dog choke collar, human muzzle, stun gun, dog treats and im getting generic green soap to wash her mouth out with.

TheLecher
08-20-11, 08:27 PM
i mean he said "lets do it like a pro or i fuck it".


What are you talking about? He didn't say anything of the sort.



now this site look so weak and actually not need to be continue anymore.


Yes, it looks weak now, but that's what's happened to the site since Brazzers decided to water it down. Before they fucked it up, the site was going strong. The solution isn't to discontinue the site. The solution is to get it back on track. Fortunately, I think that we're beginning to see signs of that happening.

RedDevils87
08-20-11, 08:32 PM
I don't want to sue you. I just want conversations to take place in a world where logic applies.

If you don't like having your unconsidered opinions disassembled through critical thinking, then maybe you should start giving considered opinions instead.



No. This is why you think I'm a painful bore. Once again, you take it upon yourself to speak for others. Let the others speak for themselves.

You don't like being called upon to think through your statements and defend your position. Personally, I would call that mental laziness. You may have another name for it. I think that's what you dislike about my posts, more than their length. Other people who dislike me may have entirely different reasons.

I'm pretty sure people have complained about your posting style many times. Surely you don't want me to go and find evidence for THAT.

If you think I'm wrong, fine, but the way you pick things apart is so damn tedious.

I'm just saying, just because you demand PSP be continued, doesn't mean others necessarily feel the same way.

TheLecher
08-20-11, 08:52 PM
If you think I'm wrong, fine, but the way you pick things apart is so damn tedious.


The way you make sweeping assertions about what the majority prefers and what the majority believes and what is or isn't acceptable, and expect other people to accept these assertions without any evidence to support them is sloppy and stupid, which I consider worse than tedium.



I'm just saying, just because you demand PSP be continued, doesn't mean others necessarily feel the same way.


No that's not all you're saying. You're saying a) that the majority agrees with your point of view and shares your preferences, and b) that something which doesn't appeal to you but appeals to other people is abnormal and unhealthy and that those people are weird for liking that thing.

That being said, others do feel the same way that I do on this topic, and we know this because others have said that they feel the same way. They've said it here in this thread, in fact, as well as in other places. There's no need for me to speculate on that point.

As for whether or not the majority feels that way, I don't know and I haven't attempted to say. I don't have enough relevant data to inform a statement of that sort, so I don't make it. (Though, as I've already said, the little bit of data which is available would seem to indicate that you've got it wrong.) I leave it to you to pretend to have sound, reliable statistical information which you don't really have, something which you do regularly.

fireknight
08-21-11, 12:44 AM
I'm just going to throw it out there, PSP is pretty much dead to me now. I havent downloaded a single scene from there in 2 months
I think the only new PSP scene (filmed either during or after the postponement of the site under the new guidelines) that I have downloaded or found at all worthwhile is the scene from last week starring Krissy Lynn and Mr. Pete. That is the only new PSP scene released thus far that actually resembles what the site is supposed to be, meaning that it's the only new PSP scene out so far in which the girl doesn't ask to be punished, and where both characters stay in "punishment mode" throughout the entire scene. Besides that scene, all the other new scenes out so far have sucked, though some more than others. The one this week with Mackenzie Pierce is OK. Like all the others, it could have been better if she had been allowed to act as if she was really being punished.

James Deen shot a new PSP scene four days ago.

Again, I say that Brazzers should cut him loose on that site. PSP has enough trouble at the moment without being saddled with a male performer who has publicly denounced the site and wants to keep the scenes being done in a format which has proved unpopular.

Book him for any of the other sites, but his time on PSP should be considered over and done.
With which girl did James Deen shoot that latest PSP scene? On his blog, he wrote about performing in scenes with Trina Michaels and Devon Lee earlier this week for Brazzers. Was the PSP scene he did with one of them?

I agree that James Deen should be cut loose from PSP. Brazzers can still use for him for its other sites. But he should no longer be on PSP. He made it known that he didn't want to perform for PSP unless it changed its format to become the weak site that it is now. Instead of changing its successfully popular format to cater to the arrogant whims of James Deen, Brazzers should just simply stop using him for PSP.

I liked James on PSP back when I thought that he enjoyed what he was doing. Now that I know how he really feels about it, I think it might affect how much I enjoy scenes starring him. Everytime I see him in a PSP scene, I'll now know that he's only on the site as long as they do what he wants them to do, regardless of whether or not the members dislike it. There are too many other good male performers that Brazzers can use for PSP. Brazzers needs to replace James Deen on PSP with another good male performer who genuinely enjoys punishing girls, and who knows the definition of acting.

I'm making assumptions, sue me.
Your assumptions are inaccurate.

TheLecher
08-21-11, 02:12 AM
With which girl did James Deen shoot that latest PSP scene? On his blog, he wrote about performing in scenes with Trina Michaels and Devon Lee earlier this week for Brazzers. Was the PSP scene he did with one of them?


It was with Trina Michaels.

TheLegacy
08-21-11, 02:51 AM
Why can't Keiran be on this site? Keiran said Brazzers has banned him from that site. I think he would do a fine job as James originally did during the original run. Keiran's banishment from the site is part of the problem. Now ZZ is hiring mostly bad talent for this site and that Mick Blue guy can't speak clearly.

Death49
08-21-11, 03:40 AM
Now ZZ is hiring mostly bad talent for this site and that Mick Blue guy can't speak clearly.
So your problem with Mick Blue is that he is foreign not that he is a bad performer? So lets add xenophobia to your growing list of prejudices

tgghpg1
08-25-11, 10:51 AM
Don't know if this has been posted somewhere else already but it seems James Deen isn't the only one against PSP - http://www.die-screaming.com/2011/08/24/dana-dearmond-speaks-out-against-brazzers/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter.

The question i had from this is, if her problem is with the bruising/punishment she received, why is it that she then has a go at the 'rape' aspect of the script, rather than the roughness aspect? I mean if the theme stayed the same, but they took out and hitting or slapping, would she be cool with that?

Willy
08-25-11, 11:05 AM
Yeah I saw that yesterday, not to rush to ZZ's defense or anything but she seems like a giant drama queen. Where is the bruise in that arm pic?

fireknight
08-26-11, 12:54 AM
Don't know if this has been posted somewhere else already but it seems James Deen isn't the only one against PSP - http://www.die-screaming.com/2011/08/24/dana-dearmond-speaks-out-against-brazzers/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter.

The question i had from this is, if her problem is with the bruising/punishment she received, why is it that she then has a go at the 'rape' aspect of the script, rather than the roughness aspect? I mean if the theme stayed the same, but they took out and hitting or slapping, would she be cool with that?
I saw the tweets she posted. I don't follow her. But I saw one of her posts get retweeted by somebody else. I went to her page to see what all the fuss was about. She posted several tweets about PSP being too rough and extreme, basically accusing Nacho of abusing her and Brazzers as being misogynistic (that has to be one of the funniest and most ironic accusations ever), calling PSP fans "psychos," etc. Drama queen doesn't begin to describe her. I didn't want to mention them here because I didn't want to attarct anymore attention than she was already getting. The fewer people saw her rants, the better. Just when we get news that PSP might be getting back on track again,another attention whore has to pop up out of the woodwork to stir up more shit. I'm really getting tired of these idiots.

She has since backtracked on eveything she said because she said that her comments had "upset a lot of people." DUH! What did she think was going to happen when she basically accused the entire Brazzers company of assault and battery? She has removed all her tweets on the subject, and said that her words were taken out of context. She has also asked that the Die-Screaming article be removed, which they did.

I say that Brazzers place her on the No list and never hired again. After all the recent problems that we've had to go through with PSP, and just getting news that those problems might soon be over, the last thing we need is nother attention whore on the site trying to cause problems all over again. This shit is beyond ridiculous.

Yeah I saw that yesterday, not to rush to ZZ's defense or anything but she seems like a giant drama queen. Where is the bruise in that arm pic?
It must be invisible.

fireknight
08-26-11, 01:04 AM
Don't know if this has been posted somewhere else already but it seems James Deen isn't the only one against PSP - http://www.die-screaming.com/2011/08/24/dana-dearmond-speaks-out-against-brazzers/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter.

The question i had from this is, if her problem is with the bruising/punishment she received, why is it that she then has a go at the 'rape' aspect of the script, rather than the roughness aspect? I mean if the theme stayed the same, but they took out and hitting or slapping, would she be cool with that?
I saw the tweets she posted. I don't follow her. But I saw one of her posts get retweeted by somebody else. I went to her page to see what all the fuss was about. She posted several tweets about PSP being too rough and extreme, basically accusing Nacho of abusing her and Brazzers as being misogynistic (that has to be one of the funniest and most ironic accusations ever), calling PSP fans "psychos," etc. Drama queen doesn't begin to describe her. I didn't want to mention them here because I didn't want to attarct anymore attention than she was already getting. The fewer people saw her rants, the better. Just when we get news that PSP might be getting back on track again,another attention whore has to pop up out of the woodwork to stir up more shit. I'm really getting tired of these idiots.

She has since backtracked on eveything she said because she said that her comments had "upset a lot of people." DUH! What did she think was going to happen when she basically accused the entire Brazzers company of assault and battery? She has removed all her tweets on the subject, and said that her words were taken out of context. She has also asked that the Die-Screaming article be removed, which they did.

I say that Brazzers place her on the No list and never hired again. After all the recent problems that we've had to go through with PSP, and just getting news that those problems might soon be over, the last thing we need is nother attention whore on the site trying to cause problems all over again. This shit is beyond ridiculous.

Yeah I saw that yesterday, not to rush to ZZ's defense or anything but she seems like a giant drama queen. Where is the bruise in that arm pic?
It must be invisible.

DontLaugh
08-26-11, 03:47 AM
Like I said before (which was shot down because a talent could NEVER influence the site :rolleyes:), these bitches complain about bruising and a sore jaw/throat for a couple days, smh. And like you said, if her problem is the rough sex, she shouldn't be rattling off insults about the site and gimmick. And LOL @ not knowing how Nacho is... this is a guy who donkeypunches Belladonna regularly on film...

Again, I wouldn't be surprised if the entire time, PSP got into the situation it got into because of legal troubles over harming one of these pansy ass idiot bitches who clearly didn't understand what she was getting into when she signed the contract... NOT some stupid, nobody in the know focus groups.

aristotlealexander
08-26-11, 09:30 AM
Like I said before (which was shot down because a talent could NEVER influence the site :rolleyes:), these bitches complain about bruising and a sore jaw/throat for a couple days, smh. And like you said, if her problem is the rough sex, she shouldn't be rattling off insults about the site and gimmick. And LOL @ not knowing how Nacho is... this is a guy who donkeypunches Belladonna regularly on film...


Because Dana Dearmond has never done a rough sex scene, and has never done a scene with Nacho........

Taurus19
08-26-11, 10:05 AM
not a fan of mick blue

JustDaveXxx
08-26-11, 01:31 PM
Because Dana Dearmond has never done a rough sex scene, and has never done a scene with Nacho........

She shot with Nacho last week for Nachos movie. Nacho told me the day before that this girl would be the best PSP because she has worked for Kink and he had already knocked out an incredible scene with her the week before.


I was jealous, because Huggy, who I absolutely like and respect, was going to have the best Nacho scene. All of this bullshit and drama was way not expected.


This girl shot the scene, did the video releases, before and after the scene, has worked with the vegas crew many times before and then decides to complain and make bullshit acusations? Really?


No shooter for Brazzers or any company for that matter would shoot something where the girl is in any slight protest against shooting or does not want to shoot. Any 1st day shooter would figure out if the girl doesn't want to be there. He would simply kill the scene and get a replacement. Its that easy for us.


Nobody will every shoot a girl that doesn't want to be there!!! Ever!!! Girls like that are the same girls that claim rape after they get and cash their checks. That has happened to two other shooters that I am friends with. The video interview before and after kept those 2 crews from going to jail for rape.

One of the girls was a "redneck" Mormon girl shooting IR to get back at her family for telling her to get a job and move out. A day after the shoot she had 2nd thoughts about what she had done and thought that claiming rape would prevent that video from getting out. Funny, but not when the cops show up and hand cuff you and your PA. Those video releases are what kept people from going to jail that day.



Sorry, rant over... Got to get back to work and prep for the next 3 days of shooting.

Willy
08-26-11, 02:30 PM
One of the girls was a "redneck" Mormon girl shooting IR to get back at her family for telling her to get a job and move out.

Crazy about the rape allegations. But that story is amazing and should be a scene.

TheBobster
08-26-11, 07:11 PM
One of the girls was a "redneck" Mormon girl shooting IR to get back at her family for telling her to get a job and move out. A day after the shoot she had 2nd thoughts about what she had done and thought that claiming rape would prevent that video from getting out. Funny, but not when the cops show up and hand cuff you and your PA. Those video releases are what kept people from going to jail that day.

Lame as fuck! I shake my head at this chick

JustDaveXxx
08-26-11, 08:06 PM
Crazy about the rape allegations. But that story is amazing and should be a scene.

This is shit I and every director/producer deals with every time we pick up a camera.


I got a story for you guys. I have told only a few:


I have shot a lot of girls 1st scenes. No big deal right? Easy as pie. I get my contracts straight and I get video releases before and after. No issues. consenting adults and everything both here to make a buck.


One time a girls father intercepted the emails with a PC key logger, between his daughter and her agent with the shoot details and shoot location. This guy went and ripped the agent saying that he was going to the shoot location with a gun and kill everybody. This girl was so smoken hot, I thought that the agent was lying and booked her somewhere else for more money.

So, I blew the warning off as BS and I said, "im not worried, I will change the location and that will be that". Girl showed up to a gated location and I shot the scene no issues what so ever. The girl actually confirmed the story after the shoot. I was like "WTF??" And an hour after the shoot, I got a call from a friend at the first location and there was some older gentleman running around the area knocking on doors looking for his daughter and the guy shooting his daughter.

The girl: Natalia Rossi




The last situation was pretty lame too:

7 months ago I go a random letter certified mail; It was a photograph of my house and there was things in the picture where I knew it was taken with in 5 days of being sent.

It was some cryptic shit about him watching my 3 year old daughter and one year old son playing in my front yard and saying he sees them and can come and hurt them anytime he wants. Why??? Because he said I shot porn, was evil and said I shot his daughter in a scene. (Never found out who he was or who the girl was)



This to me is a job. A job I do enjoy a lot. But you guys need to keep in mind there are certain risks with any porn scenes that gets shot. Crazy people with guns, crazy boyfriends with guns and pist off daddies with guns!!!



At the end of the day, I shoot porn between consenting adults, I hurt nobody and have a smile on my face everyday I go to work.

Song
08-26-11, 08:17 PM
hmmm now i understand why Vic wont show his face on live shows....

ZZTop
08-26-11, 09:02 PM
Wow those are some crazy stories. It is fucked up and nobody should have to live in fear or get threats for doing their job.

Only problem I see is What if that was your daughter? I think you would be upset, I know I would. But I would never threaten anyone's wife or children. That is fucked up. I would just "take care of" those involved. LOL.

I think an easy solution would be to recruit girls who don't have fathers. LOL. I thought that was a pre-requisite for porn anyways.

I just want to say thanks for taking those risks so we can enjoy some great porn. I know it is a risky job.

Willy
08-26-11, 09:13 PM
^^ oh yeah man. Porn is all fun and games until it's your daughter or mom on screen taking 2 dicks in her ass at the same time or having 20 strangers jizz all over her face. They are like strippers that way.

Pisses me off about Natalia Rossi tho lol all that over a key logger.

JustDaveXxx
08-26-11, 11:15 PM
Wow those are some crazy stories. It is fucked up and nobody should have to live in fear or get threats for doing their job.

Only problem I see is What if that was your daughter? I think you would be upset, I know I would. But I would never threaten anyone's wife or children. That is fucked up. I would just "take care of" those involved. LOL.


Man I would not be upset at the shooter, I would look in the mirror and punch that guy. Porn for me is the ultimate how "Not to raise my kids". I have interviewed and questioned of 2k women and there is a few common factors that all girls universally share; Daddy Issues or some kind of family resentment or issue.

The guy that got kicked around the school yard? The guy that was teased for being a virgin? The guy that never got a date for the prom? The goofy kid that picked his nose and ate it? All of those guys are directors, Male performers and or run the Porn industry. lol (Well, Not all, but a great deal of them)




I think an easy solution would be to recruit girls who don't have fathers. LOL. I thought that was a pre-requisite for porn anyways. Yea, those girls if they are hot, got boyfriends with guns. Thats one thing I dont do, recruit. Fuck that!! Thats is a one way ticket to getting your ass whooped if you solicit the wrong girl.

When I shoot new girls, I use and have used scouters, Pimps and suitcase pimps. I Pay them their fees and sleep good at night. I dealt with some real seedy dudes, but they are all real straight up, because they know I will pay for good talent.

Some of the biggest names in our business came in through pimps, scouters and suit case pimps.



I just want to say thanks for taking those risks so we can enjoy some great porn. I know it is a risky job.

Yea, its like "Ice Road Truckers, but with dicks, pussy, crazy people with guns, HIV, law suits ass whoopings and jail-time, lurking around every corner. Shit, sometimes it would probably be safer falling through the ice in a semi tuck than dealing with some of the situations that can arise on set. lol

fireknight
08-26-11, 11:18 PM
I was jealous, because Huggy, who I absolutely like and respect, was going to have the best Nacho scene. All of this bullshit and drama was way not expected.
I don't know why you would be jealous. I could understand if the broad was actually sexy. I never found Dana Dearmond remotely attractive. She's flat-chested, unattractive, and her performances are too over-the-top and unfeminine. She's one of those porno broads who I always wondered what the hell makes her so popular. Maybe after these recent insane outburts, Brazzers will decide not to use this crazy bitch anymore.

This girl shot the scene, did the video releases, before and after the scene, has worked with the vegas crew many times before and then decides to complain and make bullshit acusations? Really?
So much for that whole idea that these post-scene interviews with the girls will solve any issues that PSP may have been having. I said that this was all nonsense then, and completely unnecessary. Apparently, even if a girl does the whole post-scene interview thing, that obviously doesn't mean that PSP won't still have to put up with this type of occasional idiotic bullshit. So again, what's the point?

Sorry, rant over... Got to get back to work and prep for the next 3 days of shooting.
Will this fiasco have any further effect on PSP? You said before that Brazzers has given the green light for PSP shooters to go back to shooting whatever you guys want to shoot. But in light of this latest Twitter drama, is PSP going to go back to softening the site, banning scenes again, restricting directors, and doing all the same stupid shit it was doing before?

I hurt nobody and have a smile on my face everyday I go to work.
I would too if I had your job.

Willy
08-26-11, 11:46 PM
She's one of those porno broads who I always wondered what the hell makes her so popular.


Answer : She will let you shove what ever up her asshole and smile while she pulls her ass apart and lets you look inside. The women is all class. OHHHHH no there is a broose the size of a wart on her arm alert the presses.

RedDevils87
08-27-11, 03:54 PM
She claims all this was taken out of context or something.

BiffTheBellend
09-08-11, 05:04 AM
A 21 minute scene - 15 of actual sex. They're not even pretending to give a fuck anymore.

Sack of cunts.

fireknight
09-10-11, 06:06 PM
According to the Upcoming Scenes thread, there was a trailer for next week's PSP starring Aleksa Nicole. But when I went to the site to view it, there is no trailer there. Of course, this obviously means that it has since been removed before some of us even got a chance to see it.

Is Brazzers starting it up with the PSP bullshit all over again? I thought this was all finally settled and done. What the Fuck!

Death49
09-10-11, 06:49 PM
Is Brazzers starting it up with the PSP bullshit all over again? I thought this was all finally settled and done. What the Fuck!
Drama queen, the trailer is prob down cause there was something wrong with it, an encoding issue or messed up sound or something. Wait to the fucking day to see what happens and stop over reacting

Song
09-10-11, 07:10 PM
to be serious. that PSP drama and my Shyla drama are "the best" things on the forum this year haha

fireknight
09-10-11, 07:33 PM
Drama queen, the trailer is prob down cause there was something wrong with it, an encoding issue or messed up sound or something. Wait to the fucking day to see what happens and stop over reacting
A trailer just happens to disappear from the exact same site that we've been having simliar issues with for half the year, and it's "over reacting" to find it suspicious?

Yeah, I'm sure that it was the only trailer that just happened to have a technical problem with it. Right. That's believable. ;)

You might recall that's the exact same excuse people were initially offering when PSP first stopped updating. That was until we found out that Brazzers was just simply not posting scenes.

RedDevils87
09-10-11, 07:36 PM
Um... so why not just wait and see if you're right and THEN bitch?

fireknight
09-10-11, 07:43 PM
Um... so why not just wait and see if you're right and THEN bitch?
I was wondering when you were going to show up to hijack the thread again.

RedDevils87
09-10-11, 07:47 PM
If hijacking means disagreeing with you then sure. Death's right, you really are a drama queen.

Plus you posted the exact same thing in both threads so like..

Bottom line is you're speculating about something but at the same time complaining about it as if it's already hapepned. Fucking lighten up. If the scene doesn't re-appear THEN you have a right to complain. Until then just shut your bitchy little mouth imo.

fireknight
09-10-11, 08:01 PM
If hijacking means disagreeing with you then sure. Death's right, you really are a drama queen.
Hijacking a thread means to show up to divert the topic with irrelevant and immature taunts, but then throwing a childish tantrum whenever someone disagrees with you over something as simple as casting suggestions. I'll lighten up when you grow up.

RedDevils87
09-10-11, 08:04 PM
Don't really know what you're talking about but ok.

You're the only one who seems to be throwing tantrums at the moment, and about something which hasn't even happened yet.

fireknight
09-10-11, 08:14 PM
Don't really know what you're talking about but ok.
Yes you do. Go back and read the Sandra Romain thread where you got your panties in a bunch because I said I don't like her, and said that I was wrong for posting an opinion you don't like. You need to follow your own advice.

fireknight
09-11-11, 11:53 AM
A 21 minute scene - 15 of actual sex. They're not even pretending to give a fuck anymore.

Sack of cunts.
I take it you're referring to the latest scene starring Diana Prince and Nacho Vidal.

I just watched that scene. Apparently, Brazzers thought that adding a whole bunch of unnecessary special effects with graphics would compensate for deleting a whole large chunk from the sex, particularly during the part when the swirlies were supposed to happen. The swirlies were filmed, but are not in the scene after having been removed with sloppy, choppy editing.

The director of that scene basically told us here on the forum that Brazzers would no longer be censoring scenes. That is another false promise from Brazzers. Now, the trailer for this week's scene just happens to disappear one week after heavily censoring last week's scene. It looks like Brazzers is up to its old tricks again. But I guess I'm just overreacting to be pissed-off about it.

Death49
09-11-11, 12:08 PM
It looks like Brazzers is up to its old tricks again. But I guess I'm just overreacting to be pissed-off about it.
Bitch Bitch bitch that's all you do, if you hate it so much then why not leave. Even you have months left on your membership you should leave out of principle, but I guess that wont happen cause you're the type of person who likes something to moan about anything.

We all know there are problems with PSP, but your constant little girl tantrums are just pissing people off and not making a blind bit of difference.

Its porn dude, stop getting so worked up about it. If you react to other things in life the way you do here then I forsee an early heart attack for you.

fireknight
09-11-11, 12:45 PM
Bitch Bitch bitch that's all you do, if you hate it so much then why not leave. Even you have months left on your membership you should leave out of principle, but I guess that wont happen cause you're the type of person who likes something to moan about anything.
So because I complain about Brazzers still continuing to ruin my favorite site, then I'm "bitching?" If that's the case, then it's still better than being complacent, saying nothing, and just paying for whatever bullshit Brazzers decides to give you. If you want to have stupid, blind, unquestioning loyalty to the site, then that's up to you. I don't. As I said before, if I'm paying for a product- any product, including porn- that delivers an unsatisfactory service, then I will let the producers of that product know about it.

If you go to a restaurant and the food is terrible, do you just sit there and eat it, or do you let them know about it? If you buy a brand new car that turns out to be a lemon, do you return it to the dealer and let him know, or do you just smile and pretend that everything is OK? You must be the type of person who would stay silent because you're afraid of being accused of "bitching."

And Yes, if the service remains unsatisfactory, then I will leave because it is clear that customer satisfaction is not of importance to the company. With all the free porn there is out there, the last thing Brazzers needs to be doing is giving its paying members more of an incentive to leave. Again, I thought all this nonsense was supposed to be over with by now. The fact that's it's still happening is valid reason for everyone to "bitch" as much about it as possible.

We all know there are problems with PSP, but your constant little girl tantrums are just pissing people off and not making a blind bit of difference.
I really don't care who I piss off. What about all the members that Brazzers is pissing off by doing the stupid shit that it's doing? If Brazzers doesn't care about pissing us off, then why should we be afraid of letting them know, even if it means pissing them off? We're the ones paying them, not the other way around.

It seems that you don't have an issue with the actual problem. You just don't like it when people address the problem. That's called denial. If Brazzers would just get its act together, then no one would have to "bitch" about it anymore. You're right that it's not making any difference though. The fact that this bullshit has been going on since March is evidence of that. It's still better than saying nothing and pretending that everything is OK.

Death49
09-11-11, 12:55 PM
All I got from your tirade was that you are a very angry person, that would complain over just about anything. If you buy a car from the dealer you better make sure that it works before buying it, thats what a test drive is for

Side note, PSP has never been the best ZZ site, even when it started, Kink have always done this sort of thing far better

Song
09-11-11, 01:05 PM
side note, psp has never been the best zz site, even when it started, kink have always done this sort of thing far better

fuking word

fireknight
09-11-11, 01:11 PM
All I got from your tirade was that you are a very angry person, that would complain over just about anything. If you buy a car from the dealer you better make sure that it works before buying it, thats what a test drive is for

Side note, PSP has never been the best ZZ site, even when it started, Kink have always done this sort of thing far better
Your opinion about PSP says a lot about why don't get the anger over the way Brazzers has been fucking it up. If I already don't care for a site in the first place, then it's not going to bother me when the company that owns the site starts doing things that are only in the worst interest of the site. The only people who would care about it are the people who actually like it. This is exactly why the critics and haters of PSP have to be really happy right now, and people like you who don't care either way just dismiss the whole thing.

I don't like Kink. I always thought PSP was better before Brazzers started screwing around with it. Perhaps if this was happening the other way around where negative changes were affecting Kink instead of PSP, then you might understand the resentment that I and other members are expressing over this. It has nothing to do with being an agry person. It has to do with being angry at Brazzers for repeated broken promises and a lengthy period of showing that it cares nothing for its PSP customer base.

RedDevils87
09-11-11, 01:15 PM
Posting about it in 4 different threads is overkill, and whether you have a point or not, the manner of your complaints definitely makes you come across as a whiner, similar to Franklin.

I think when it gets to the stage that you are complaining so vociferously about not being able to see a woman's head flushed in a toilet, it's time to get a new hobby.

Death49
09-11-11, 01:20 PM
Your opinion about PSP says a lot about why don't get the anger over the way Brazzers has been fucking it up. If I already don't care for a site in the first place, then it's not going to bother me when the company that owns the site starts doing things that are only in the worst interest of the site. The only people who would care about it are the people who actually like it. This is exactly why the critics and haters of PSP have to be really happy right now, and people like you who don't care either way just dismiss the whole thing.

I enjoy PSP and of course when they miss an update it annoys me, I just dont think its the best ZZ site and I'm not going to get steamed up about an Update that hasnt even come out yet just because it was taken off the upcoming list about 5mins after it was posted (thats happened loads of time and not just to PSP scenes)



I think when it gets to the stage that you are complaining so vociferously about not being able to see a woman's head flushed in a toilet, it's time to get a new hobby.
Agree with the no end

fireknight
09-11-11, 01:37 PM
Posting about it in 4 different threads is overkill, and whether you have a point or not, the manner of your complaints definitely makes you come across as a whiner, similar to Franklin.
Again, I don't care about that. It amazes me how easily people have a tendency to look right past the actual problem and only focus on the people who are addressing the problem. One of the biggest problems with people is that they like to shoot the messenger of the problem instead of the people causing the problem.

You think it's overkill that I'm posting about it. Too bad. More than 20 minutes of sex was noticeably deleted from that scene. Is that not overkill? Yes, it's overkill what Brazzers is doing to the site. I really couldn't care less if people are offended at me mentioning it. Perhaps if Brazzers gets offended enough, then they'll finally stop doing it. But I'm not holding my breath waiting for that to happen.

I think when it gets to the stage that you are complaining so vociferously about not being able to see a woman's head flushed in a toilet, it's time to get a new hobby.
As always, you completely miss the point. Censorship is censorship. To delete several minutes of action from a scene that was produced by consenting adults for other adults who are paying to see it is ridiculous and senseless. I complained when Brazzers censored Keiran touching his dick with a flag. I have complained when parts that were shown in the trailers are taken out of the full scenes. I have complained when something as simple as dialogue is censored from scenes.

It doesn't matter whether it's a swirlie or a kiss that's being censored. The point is that it's stupid and unnecessary censorship. If the director and performers shot it and the viewers want to see it, then it belongs in the scene, plain and simple. Brazzers should not be censoring any of them. But I wouldn't expect you to be intelligent enough to be able to see the bigger picture.

Song
09-11-11, 02:01 PM
firekinght i think u still dont understand what Red and Death try to tell u. we are at that point with PSP when everything was said already. everyone are not happy about how ZZ shitting with PSP but we cant do anything more. there is no reason to complaining and repeat the same arguments all the time. just give up man and move on

fireknight
09-11-11, 02:17 PM
everyone are not happy about how ZZ shitting with PSP but we cant do anything more. there is no reason to complaining and repeat the same arguments all the time. just give up man and move on
This is true. You're right. There are good directors like JustDavexxx, Tony T., and Huggy who seem to be trying to deliver good PSP scenes. But obviously, Brazzers keeps standing in the way of that, as we can see from last week's scene. When they make good scenes, they either get chopped up in editing, or not released at all. Anytime Brazzers' own directors who shoot for PSP can't do anything to improve the site, despite how much they try, then it's no wonder that Brazzers isn't paying the members the least bit of attention.

RedDevils87
09-11-11, 02:24 PM
I don't understand why even though you pretty much acknowledge that Brazzers will never allow PSP to go back to how it was, you and Lecher react with anger when somebody suggests they replace it with a more conventional rough sex site. I get why you prefer PSP over normal rough sex, due to the storylines, but surely GOOD rough sex scenes that aren't chopped up are better than butchered PSP scenes? I don't understand why the suggestion is met with such anger, when PSP is pretty much a waste of a Brazzers site at the moment anyway.

fireknight
09-11-11, 03:05 PM
I don't understand why even though you pretty much acknowledge that Brazzers will never allow PSP to go back to how it was, you and Lecher react with anger when somebody suggests they replace it with a more conventional rough sex site. I get why you prefer PSP over normal rough sex, due to the storylines, but surely GOOD rough sex scenes that aren't chopped up are better than butchered PSP scenes? I don't understand why the suggestion is met with such anger, when PSP is pretty much a waste of a Brazzers site at the moment anyway.
That's basically what PSP is already. The title of the site is now a misnomer, as any type of real punishment scenarios are now banned from the site. It's now turned into a site that shows weak versions of rough sex every week (or whenever they decide to post a scene).

Even with this change, the problems have not gone away. Remember that people said that if Brazzers simply added disclaimers and exit interviews (a la Kink) to the site, then PSP could get back to the way it was. That obviously isn't the case. Brazzers added those things, and the site ironically sucks even more now than it ever did at any point before it had them.

The latest scene with Diana Prince is exactly what you describe as a regular rough sex scene. She doesn't show any resistance at all, and does endless dirty talk all throughout the scene about how much she loves the so-called "punishment." This is in addition to the disclaimers at the beginning and end of the scene. Yet, even with all that, Brazzers still deleted an enormous chunk of sex from the scene that they didn't want us to see. Thus, following your suggestion to take the punishment out of PSP wouldn't make any difference. We know this because that's already what has happened, and it hasn't made any difference. It's only gotten worse.

Like another member already posted here, Brazzers just isn't even pretending to care about making PSP a good site anymore. I really wish another porn network would make a similar site so I could join there instead. I think anybody could do a better job with it than what Brazzers is doing to it right now.

Laddydeath1
09-11-11, 07:03 PM
fireknight



I see you are still bitching about PSP after psp is still doing sex ..... I say you go get ya fucking blanket and go to your room because you sounds like a Little kid crying about spieled milk ....... I just say +GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON ..... WOW talk about people the bitch a lot lol ....

TheLecher
09-11-11, 09:44 PM
I see that this thread has picked up some steam again in the three days that I've been away.

I would agree that fireknight is overreacting, at least insofar as the missing trailer is concerned. As Death has pointed out, it isn't really all that uncommon for trailers to be pulled within a few minutes of posting. And, as he further pointed out, it doesn't only happen with PSP scenes. If we read back through the Upcoming Scenes thread, we'll find plenty of references to this phenomenon. I can think of several possible reasons for this to happen.

As far as the Diana Prince PSP scene being chopped to hell and gone, I haven't had time to watch it yet, but if it has been mutilated in editing, then that's definitely a huge annoyance. JustDave told us in no uncertain terms that he had been given the green light to go back to the old (read "better") way of shooting PSP, so if they cut the scene to ribbons in post, then that's some bullshit. However, I'm not prepared to jump to the assumption that Brazzers is playing us false in this matter again, especially given that we've had some minor encouragements on the PSP front lately.



Its porn dude, stop getting so worked up about it. If you react to other things in life the way you do here then I forsee an early heart attack for you.


But here I have to agree with fireknight. The above comment just misses the point. You may think that porn is no big deal, but a lot of us think that censorship is a big deal.



If you buy a car from the dealer you better make sure that it works before buying it, thats what a test drive is for


Okay, this has nothing to do with the discussion at hand, but I just wanted to point out that this comment was a bit on the silly side. Surely you must realize that a test drive (or three) will often fail to bring to light problems with a car which may eventually become major issues.

That's what "lemon laws" are for.



Your opinion about PSP says a lot about why don't get the anger over the way Brazzers has been fucking it up. If I already don't care for a site in the first place, then it's not going to bother me when the company that owns the site starts doing things that are only in the worst interest of the site. The only people who would care about it are the people who actually like it.


You don't have to care about or be a fan of something which is being censored in order to recognize that censorship is a big problem and a major threat to free expression. I think that this is a very regretable attitude to have.

For example, when Australia moved to ban A cup tits from the internet in their country, that pissed me off to no end. It doesn't directly affect me in any way. In fact, I don't think that it even affects me indirectly. But I still don't shrug my shoulders and say, "Meh. Whatever."



everyone are not happy about how ZZ shitting with PSP but we cant do anything more. there is no reason to complaining and repeat the same arguments all the time. just give up man and move on



This is true. You're right.


This is not true, and he is not right. Just because you haven't seen as much change as you would like as quickly as you wanted, does not mean that you're faced with a hopeless case. Sometimes it takes a while to affect change in a system. And the larger the system you're trying to affect, the longer it may take. And it is possible that you won't ever achieve the result you want, no matter how hard you try, or for how long. There's no guarantee of success. But I can guarantee you that you won't see the changes you want if you give up.

TheLecher
09-11-11, 09:49 PM
I don't understand why even though you pretty much acknowledge that Brazzers will never allow PSP to go back to how it was, you and Lecher react with anger when somebody suggests they replace it with a more conventional rough sex site.


Okay, before I address the implied question here, I want to take issue with you misrepresenting my response.

I don't react with anger when someone suggests that Brazzers should scrap PSP in favor of a "Joy of Rough Sex" style site. Dissent is not the same as anger. I am vehemently opposed to the suggestion, but it doesn't make me angry, nor do the people who suggest it (so far, at any rate).

More often than not, if I'm angry, I'll say so in my post (Something along the lines of, "That pisses me off!"), though not always. I'll also generally use a lot of exclamation marks, coupled with a fair amount of profanity, when I'm angry. (However, those indicators could also mean that I'm excited about something, as in the case of "Fuck yeah! We have a new Ariella Ferrera scene tomorrow! I can't fucking wait!")

Even if I tell someone that I think that they're being stupid, that doesn't necessarily indicate anger. It's more that I don't mince words. I'm not saying that I don't get angry, but it really does happen very seldom, and I certainly haven't gotten angry over the suggestion (which I consider a very poor suggestion) that Brazzers replace PSP with a "we like rough sex" site.

Also, unlike fireknight, I don't acknowledge that Brazzers will never allow PSP to go back to the way it was.



I get why you prefer PSP over normal rough sex, due to the storylines, but surely GOOD rough sex scenes that aren't chopped up are better than butchered PSP scenes?


It isn't necessarily true that good "we like rough sex" scenes are better than bad PSP scenes. The question which needs answering in this case is "Better for what?". They may be better examples of well made porn, but they wouldn't be better examples of the particular genre. And if it's the particular genre which is the focus of interest, then substituting something entirely different may not be an improvement, even if it would score higher on technical points of production.



I don't understand why the suggestion is met with such anger, when PSP is pretty much a waste of a Brazzers site at the moment anyway.


Setting aside the "anger" part of this quote, since I've already addressed that, I don't agree that PSP is currently a waste of a Brazzers site. Some of the recent scenes have been improvements over the bullshit "Care Bear" version of PSP which we've been suffering through for the past several months. I think that things may be improving, and I'm a long way from just writing the site off.

TheLecher
09-11-11, 09:53 PM
Side note, PSP has never been the best ZZ site, even when it started, Kink have always done this sort of thing far better


This is another point on which I disagree. Kink does a lot of things better than Brazzers does (Granted, they're mostly things which Brazzers isn't interested in doing.), but this isn't one of them. This is something which Brazzers does (or did, rather, before the great PSP fuck up) better than Kink does.

PSP is (or used to be) something which Kink doesn't have. The closest thing Kink has is Sex and Submission (and a very few of the Hogtied updates), and even on S&S, Kink has never been willing to push things as far as Brazzers has done several times on PSP. Kink just won't go there.

fireknight
09-12-11, 01:05 AM
fireknight



I see you are still bitching about PSP after psp is still doing sex ..... I say you go get ya fucking blanket and go to your room because you sounds like a Little kid crying about spieled milk ....... I just say +GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON ..... WOW talk about people the bitch a lot lol ....
This is some of the most incomprehensible bunch of gibberish I have ever tried to read. Are you literate?

I would agree that fireknight is overreacting, at least insofar as the missing trailer is concerned. As Death has pointed out, it isn't really all that uncommon for trailers to be pulled within a few minutes of posting. And, as he further pointed out, it doesn't only happen with PSP scenes. If we read back through the Upcoming Scenes thread, we'll find plenty of references to this phenomenon. I can think of several possible reasons for this to happen.
If I am overreacting, then Brazzers has given me plenty of reason to do so. If you live with someone who has stolen from you several times before in the past, is it overreacting to assume that he has done it again when something else comes up missing? Sure, it's possible that he may be innocent and your assumption of his guilt is false. But reputations are formed by past actions. The reputation that Brazzers now has regarding PSP is one of distrust.

It's possible that I am wrong about the trailer and this is will turn out to be no big deal. But I'm at the point now where I'm tired of giving Brazzers the benefit of the doubt. I've done it too many times only to end up disappointed almost every time. So when I see anything strange happening with PSP, such as the removal of a trailer, etc., I don't think it's overreacting to suspect that Brazzers is up to its old tricks again.

JustDave told us in no uncertain terms that he had been given the green light to go back to the old (read "better") way of shooting PSP, so if they cut the scene to ribbons in post, then that's some bullshit. However, I'm not prepared to jump to the assumption that Brazzers is playing us false in this matter again, especially given that we've had some minor encouragements on the PSP front lately.
That is what he told us. Apparently they lied to him, because cutting the scene to ribbons is exactly what they did. Anytime the company will go back on its word to no longer censor scenes, then this is exactly why Brazzers is untrustworthy of anything it says or does regarding PSP. If you don't think Brazzers is playing us false again, then I don't know how many times they have to blatantly lie to us in order to convince you that that's what they're doing. Once someone lies to you enough times, then it becomes almost impossible to believe anything else they say.

But I can guarantee you that you won't see the changes you want if you give up.
I agree with you. But then, if you complain too much in an effort to improve matters, then you're "bitching" and "overreacting." Again, some people are just satisfied with whatever they get, no matter how crappy it is.

vettewon
10-08-11, 09:04 AM
Right after hot an mean, this is the site I like the least. Nothing wrong with nasty rough sex, but sometimes it's way too much imo. I'd prefer to have a gonzo site instead. Just some raunchy wild fucking without slapping and (fake) abusing of lovely ladies.

sisla76
10-08-11, 12:20 PM
Hello to all! I am new to forum discussions. I have few questions and I would like your opinion.

1. The last update of Pornstars Punishment (PSP) seemed to be a scene with Dana Dearmond (I love this girl) and Nacho Vidal. I re-logged after a day and then disappeared. As far as I can recall, the same have happened with other scenes ( I think a PSP scene with Nikki Hunter as well). Can someone tell me if these movies are coming back ever again? It seems that they are not and it is outrageous. Can someone tell me if is there any way to find these scenes?

2. Personally, I love PSP site. It is my top site on Brazzers because I love rough sex and the idea of making a woman submissive in whichever ways possible. I would like to see such submissive roles and characteristics and in others sites of BRazzers. They did sometimes anyway....but I would prefer to see it more. Moreover what I miss from PSP scenes is the bound and tied up of the submissive girls. I mean that rough sex sometimes may include bounding the girl. I would love to see this feature.

Another thing is the double penetration (DP) or even gang-bang. Brazzers seems to be quite dedicated to one vs one sex scenes. While this is very much respected why don't they introduce a site or two that they will have such features??

sisla76
10-08-11, 12:22 PM
Please if my questions have gotten answered somewhere else I would like you to give me links and I'll go there. So, I apologize in advance if I am off-topic but I just got started searching forum.

Song
10-08-11, 12:29 PM
Please if my questions have gotten answered somewhere else I would like you to give me links and I'll go there. So, I apologize in advance if I am off-topic but I just got started searching forum.

i would tell u where to find all these missed scenes but what u give me for that? :D

sisla76
10-08-11, 02:23 PM
i would tell u where to find all these missed scenes but what u give me for that? :D

Whatever you like...as long as you don't exaggerate :)

Song
10-08-11, 02:40 PM
Whatever you like...as long as you don't exaggerate :)

but i dont need anything man :)

fireknight
10-08-11, 10:59 PM
Hello to all! I am new to forum discussions. I have few questions and I would like your opinion.

1. The last update of Pornstars Punishment (PSP) seemed to be a scene with Dana Dearmond (I love this girl) and Nacho Vidal. I re-logged after a day and then disappeared. As far as I can recall, the same have happened with other scenes ( I think a PSP scene with Nikki Hunter as well). Can someone tell me if these movies are coming back ever again? It seems that they are not and it is outrageous. Can someone tell me if is there any way to find these scenes?

2. Personally, I love PSP site. It is my top site on Brazzers because I love rough sex and the idea of making a woman submissive in whichever ways possible. I would like to see such submissive roles and characteristics and in others sites of BRazzers. They did sometimes anyway....but I would prefer to see it more.
1. I didn't watch the Dana Dearmond PSP scene because I don't like Dana Dearmond. So I didn't even notice that the scene had disappeared until you mentioned it. After reading your post, I went to the site to see if it was still there. You're right. It has disappeared. As I said before, Brazzers is back up to its old tricks again. Not only are they still butchering scenes in editing, and removing everything having to do with punishment from the scripts, but they've now gone back to deleting whole scenes again altogether. Apparently, this nonsense will never end. The movies that have disappeared are not coming back. If you didn't get them the first time, then you can still find them for free on the Internet. I know that we're not supposed to advocate piracy. Normally, I would agree with that. But with the way that Brazzers has been disrespecting its PSP fans for the last several months, Brazzers deserves neither our respect, nor more of our money, in return. So Fuck it!

2. You're not going to see any of that on Brazzers. PSP used to be a good site that was about those things you describe. But that ship has sailed. For the most part, PSP now only produces vanilla G-rated porn. And if the scene is not a vanilla G-rated scene, then Brazzers will chop it up so badly until that's what it becomes. Or, if they can't destroy it enough in editing, then they just won't release it at all. So if you're looking for anything more than nice, clean, friendly porn, then look elsewhere. You will no longer find it on PSP.

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icu8124me1
10-09-11, 07:21 AM
Did they remove the video from PSP of Nacho & dana_dearmond? I've Downloaded it already but now i can't find it on the site? thats weird!

RedDevils87
10-09-11, 07:45 AM
Why do I feel like fireknight will still be hear whining about this in 2013?

Just leave.